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AIBU to complain about lenient sentencing in teenage rape case?

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Gingerbreadtree · 21/05/2026 15:37

Please raise a complaint about the unduly lenient sentencing of the three teenage boys who have avoided prison after raping two teenage girls.

https://www.gov.uk/ask-crown-court-sentence-review

BBC News article - BBC News - Teenage boys sentenced for raping lone girls
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clypg68e2neo

Ask for a Crown Court sentence to be reviewed

How to complain to the Attorney General's Office if you think someone's sentence is too low - and what happens if the Court of Appeal get involved

https://www.gov.uk/ask-crown-court-sentence-review

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Italiangreyhound · 22/05/2026 00:14

I have submitted a complaint. I am absolutely appalled at this sentencing.

Noodledog · 22/05/2026 00:07

FinchiePink · 21/05/2026 23:58

This isn't true - only one UL submission is required for the case to be reviewed.

This doesn't have the same mechanics as a petition. It doesn't depend on the volume of submissions made. One form has the same effect as one thousand.

People, please ignore this poster, they don't want your voice to be heard.

Only one objection is necessary, but a huge amount will be noticed . And if we just sit and seethe, nothing will change.

FinchiePink · 21/05/2026 23:58

HalzTangz · 21/05/2026 23:56

One person and the review may not be taken seriously, multiple requests means they have to take the review seriously

This isn't true - only one UL submission is required for the case to be reviewed.

This doesn't have the same mechanics as a petition. It doesn't depend on the volume of submissions made. One form has the same effect as one thousand.

HalzTangz · 21/05/2026 23:56

MrsValentine24 · 21/05/2026 16:01

Only one person needs to make the request in order for the sentencing to be reviewed. That’s what it says on the page you linked. So I didn’t submit one, but I agree the sentencing was shockingly lenient considering the seriousness of the crimes, the premeditated nature, the fact the crime was repeated & the perpetrators lack of remorse.

One person and the review may not be taken seriously, multiple requests means they have to take the review seriously

HalzTangz · 21/05/2026 23:53

Filled out the form .
You would think the courts would have learned from the rapist taxi driver that it's absolutely not ok to give weak sentences or to let rapist walk free.
These boys haven't had any punishment, they will likely rape again

FinchiePink · 21/05/2026 23:46

LizzieSiddal · 21/05/2026 23:39

There’s a time and a place for being padantic and this isn’t it ffs! People are incandescent with rage about this sentence, they want to do something.

Filling in the form on the government website stating you feel these sentences are lenient is a very positive thing to do.

I don't dismiss people's rage, my point is that rage would be better channelled into actual campaigning for long term change rather than repeatedly filling in a form that was effective the first time it was done.

It's like piling all the rage into a rocking chair. It might give you something to do but it's not going to get you anywhere.

The sentence in this case is going to be reviewed - great. Now maybe that energy should be put to campaigning for more stringent sentencing for rapists generally?

FinchiePink · 21/05/2026 23:43

Noodledog · 21/05/2026 23:38

Like I said, I read posts from you 6 hours ago, and you have clearly spent the entire evening trying to put people off from placing objections.

I suspect when I check tomorrow you will still be doing the same thing. Hopefully you'll be ignored. Your motivation baffles me. But I'm sure you're finding the whole thing enjoyable.

I've actually spent the entire evening out at dinner, as you could evidence by checking the timestamps on my posts given you're that keen.

I've already explained my motivation. You can believe what you wish.

LizzieSiddal · 21/05/2026 23:41

FinchiePink · 21/05/2026 23:39

Yes but this form isn't a complaint form. You're not complaining by submitting this form.

That doesn't change the fact that public campaigning is extremely important in changing laws and sentencing guidelines.

As I said, there a time and a place for being pedantic. This isn’t it.

Fill in the form MNetters!!

FinchiePink · 21/05/2026 23:39

LizzieSiddal · 21/05/2026 23:35

As I stated above, hundreds of people complaining is NOT a waste of time in the long term. Lawmakers listen to public option and Guideline have been changed as a direct consequence of complaints by the public.

From the CPS

”Public opinion is not used by courts to determine individual sentences, but it directly influences sentencing policy through the statutory requirement to promote public confidence, and the public can formally submit complaints to have sentences reviewed under specific schemes.”

Keep complaining!!

Yes but this form isn't a complaint form. You're not complaining by submitting this form.

That doesn't change the fact that public campaigning is extremely important in changing laws and sentencing guidelines.

LizzieSiddal · 21/05/2026 23:39

FinchiePink · 21/05/2026 23:35

How many hours have I spent on this, please?

Because I reckon the sum total of my posts on the matter has taken me about 20 minutes.

It is important to me that the public understands how our legal system operates and that they're not being duped into signing something being presented as a "complaint" or a petition when it is very much not.

There’s a time and a place for being padantic and this isn’t it ffs! People are incandescent with rage about this sentence, they want to do something.

Filling in the form on the government website stating you feel these sentences are lenient is a very positive thing to do.

Noodledog · 21/05/2026 23:38

FinchiePink · 21/05/2026 23:35

How many hours have I spent on this, please?

Because I reckon the sum total of my posts on the matter has taken me about 20 minutes.

It is important to me that the public understands how our legal system operates and that they're not being duped into signing something being presented as a "complaint" or a petition when it is very much not.

Like I said, I read posts from you 6 hours ago, and you have clearly spent the entire evening trying to put people off from placing objections.

I suspect when I check tomorrow you will still be doing the same thing. Hopefully you'll be ignored. Your motivation baffles me. But I'm sure you're finding the whole thing enjoyable.

FinchiePink · 21/05/2026 23:35

Noodledog · 21/05/2026 23:32

I disagree there is no point more than one person putting in an objection, as a previous PP who is a civil servant posted, while only one objection is necessary, receiving many thousands will draw attention to the amount of public disgust.

Also, could you explain why you have spent so many hours trying to deter people from placing objections? Because you have been remarkably persistent. I first read a thread about this over 6 hours ago, came back and you're still going at it. Why is this so important to you- are you really that concerned about civil servants having a full email inbox tomorrow?

How many hours have I spent on this, please?

Because I reckon the sum total of my posts on the matter has taken me about 20 minutes.

It is important to me that the public understands how our legal system operates and that they're not being duped into signing something being presented as a "complaint" or a petition when it is very much not.

LizzieSiddal · 21/05/2026 23:35

FinchiePink · 21/05/2026 23:25

Why do you think I believe it's not worth bothering?

The fact of the matter is it only takes one UL form to trigger a review. Hundreds of people doing it is a waste of time, and as you can see from this thread there is quite a bit of misunderstanding from posters about what they're actually doing - as I said, it's not a complaint form or a petition.

Posters should know what they're being asked to do and understand what's going on and why. Facts are important.

As I stated above, hundreds of people complaining is NOT a waste of time in the long term. Lawmakers listen to public option and Guideline have been changed as a direct consequence of complaints by the public.

From the CPS

”Public opinion is not used by courts to determine individual sentences, but it directly influences sentencing policy through the statutory requirement to promote public confidence, and the public can formally submit complaints to have sentences reviewed under specific schemes.”

Keep complaining!!

FinchiePink · 21/05/2026 23:34

LizzieSiddal · 21/05/2026 23:31

Whilst public opinion is not relevant in the sentencing of individuals, it is very relevant for setting guidelines for sentences.

So it is incredibly important that if people think the punishment in this case is lenient, they do make a complaint so that goverments are aware of public option for any future guidelines.

This isn't a complaint form.

By filling in this form you are not making a complaint.

You are saying that the sentence is unduly lenient in law.

Specifically, you are claiming that the sentence falls outside the range of sentences which the judge, applying his mind to all the relevant factors, could reasonably consider appropriate.

Noodledog · 21/05/2026 23:32

FinchiePink · 21/05/2026 23:25

Why do you think I believe it's not worth bothering?

The fact of the matter is it only takes one UL form to trigger a review. Hundreds of people doing it is a waste of time, and as you can see from this thread there is quite a bit of misunderstanding from posters about what they're actually doing - as I said, it's not a complaint form or a petition.

Posters should know what they're being asked to do and understand what's going on and why. Facts are important.

I disagree there is no point more than one person putting in an objection, as a previous PP who is a civil servant posted, while only one objection is necessary, receiving many thousands will draw attention to the amount of public disgust.

Also, could you explain why you have spent so many hours trying to deter people from placing objections? Because you have been remarkably persistent. I first read a thread about this over 6 hours ago, came back and you're still going at it. Why is this so important to you- are you really that concerned about civil servants having a full email inbox tomorrow?

LizzieSiddal · 21/05/2026 23:31

FinchiePink · 21/05/2026 23:23

It depends what you want to achieve.

If you want the sentencing guidelines to be reviewed because you think rape should attract harsher sentences, campaign. Educate yourself on criminal law, start petitions, email your MP.

If you want the sentencing in this particular case to be looked at, that's already been achieved. It was achieved the moment the first UL form went in. Everything else is superfluous.

If you want these boys to go to prison, well to be honest if the option above fails then there's little else which can be done.

Whilst public opinion is not relevant in the sentencing of individuals, it is very relevant for setting guidelines for sentences.

So it is incredibly important that if people think the punishment in this case is lenient, they do make a complaint so that goverments are aware of public option for any future guidelines.

FinchiePink · 21/05/2026 23:25

Noodledog · 21/05/2026 23:22

You've said this many times, everyone understands you don't think this is worth bothering about. Why you have persistently tried to discourage PP from doing anything is, frankly, bizarre. What is your motivation here? Are you really that worried about civil servants having a full email box?

Why do you think I believe it's not worth bothering?

The fact of the matter is it only takes one UL form to trigger a review. Hundreds of people doing it is a waste of time, and as you can see from this thread there is quite a bit of misunderstanding from posters about what they're actually doing - as I said, it's not a complaint form or a petition.

Posters should know what they're being asked to do and understand what's going on and why. Facts are important.

FinchiePink · 21/05/2026 23:23

Bubblebathbefore8 · 21/05/2026 23:20

People are also writing to their MP.

what else would you suggest we do?

It depends what you want to achieve.

If you want the sentencing guidelines to be reviewed because you think rape should attract harsher sentences, campaign. Educate yourself on criminal law, start petitions, email your MP.

If you want the sentencing in this particular case to be looked at, that's already been achieved. It was achieved the moment the first UL form went in. Everything else is superfluous.

If you want these boys to go to prison, well to be honest if the option above fails then there's little else which can be done.

Noodledog · 21/05/2026 23:22

FinchiePink · 21/05/2026 23:17

This isn't a complaint form or a petition.

If you're submitting this form you are asking for a review on the basis that the sentence is unduly lenient because the judge has made an error of law.

Not because you or I feel the sentence is too short, or because you feel the sentencing guidelines are wrong.

Because you believe the judge has made an error in law. Not in your opinion, in law.

People should understand exactly what it is they are claiming and to be frank I suspect 99% of posters who have "signed" (signed what? It's not a petition) don't realise exactly what they're doing.

As another PP has already stated, only one unduly lenient claim needs to be made for this to be passed for review. A mass campaign to sign isn't going to change anything because the test is whether the judge has erred in law, not in public opinion.

You've said this many times, everyone understands you don't think this is worth bothering about. Why you have persistently tried to discourage PP from doing anything is, frankly, bizarre. What is your motivation here? Are you really that worried about civil servants having a full email box?

Bubblebathbefore8 · 21/05/2026 23:20

FinchiePink · 21/05/2026 23:17

This isn't a complaint form or a petition.

If you're submitting this form you are asking for a review on the basis that the sentence is unduly lenient because the judge has made an error of law.

Not because you or I feel the sentence is too short, or because you feel the sentencing guidelines are wrong.

Because you believe the judge has made an error in law. Not in your opinion, in law.

People should understand exactly what it is they are claiming and to be frank I suspect 99% of posters who have "signed" (signed what? It's not a petition) don't realise exactly what they're doing.

As another PP has already stated, only one unduly lenient claim needs to be made for this to be passed for review. A mass campaign to sign isn't going to change anything because the test is whether the judge has erred in law, not in public opinion.

People are also writing to their MP.

what else would you suggest we do?

FinchiePink · 21/05/2026 23:17

This isn't a complaint form or a petition.

If you're submitting this form you are asking for a review on the basis that the sentence is unduly lenient because the judge has made an error of law.

Not because you or I feel the sentence is too short, or because you feel the sentencing guidelines are wrong.

Because you believe the judge has made an error in law. Not in your opinion, in law.

People should understand exactly what it is they are claiming and to be frank I suspect 99% of posters who have "signed" (signed what? It's not a petition) don't realise exactly what they're doing.

As another PP has already stated, only one unduly lenient claim needs to be made for this to be passed for review. A mass campaign to sign isn't going to change anything because the test is whether the judge has erred in law, not in public opinion.

MustardBear · 21/05/2026 23:11

Form submitted. I saw this earlier and it’s absolutely outrageous.

awfulapril · 21/05/2026 23:07

@GasperyJacquesRoberts no. But I'm not having an opinion on the sentence.

LizzieSiddal · 21/05/2026 22:58

I’ve submitted a form of complaint and written an email to my MP. (I’ve never done that before).

Im so angry about this sentence, those boys need intensive, very close supervision and therapy to ensure they never do this kind of thing again.

Those poor poor girls.

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