AIBU to complain about lenient sentencing in teenage rape case?

This article tries to justify the sentence - using textbook defense - that is how rapists like Paul Quinn are born.

Teen rapists spared jail partly because of intellectual limitations, judge's full remarks show https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3d2d55kvy1o

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99l93md0gko
In November 1992, he was convicted of two counts of underage sex, an offence which today would be classified as rape.

Glad to hear there's been a massive public outcry. This was the lead story on Radio 4's 6pm news tonight.

Teenage rapists’ sentences to be reviewed, Starmer says

I suppose petitions worked!

Petition for judge to be removed

https://c.org/cHdr9kydXW

I agree that sentencing guidelines need review, but they haven't changed since the last GE, so this is not exclusively on this government.

I do also think that any time a judge does something like this, his record should be reviewed and if it is warranted, there should be a capability procedure.

I am glad the government is reviewing this, but tbh it says something horrific about their apparent insistence in tackling violence against women and girls.

This is sexual violence. The sentencing guidelines need to be looked at again. They were put in place partly to deal with the attitudes of some members of the judiciary to rape. If they are being ignored or calibrated away from custody then that needs to be looked. Rape should be a custodial sentence given the harm it does. ADHD does not provide an excuse. Neurodiversity is not an excuse in criminal offending, particularly when the evidence is that this was planned, repeated conduct, using a knife and images circulated on social media. That is depraved.

Well done everyone. Anyone know of a march or protest? I would take to the streets for this.

From the press reports, I don't think the legal establishment have been left in any doubt that thousands of people, especially women, were outraged by the leniency of these sentences. Plus the speed of the response.

Score one for MN and @Gingerbreadtree . Well done you and everyone else who objected!

Signed. Absolutely shocking and heartbreaking.

My Mum was raped in a park by a stranger and to this day, she’s hugely affected and she’s 81. Those poor, poor girls.

I was furious about this when i read this on Thursday night. Due to other things outside my control yesterday I only went onto the government website this morning to lodge my complaint and saw that they are already reviewing based on the number of requests made (and would let me lodge my request) Thank good ness hey are reviewing - despicable remarks from judge and unbelievable sentencing!

Bog standard misogynist male, no care for women or girls, only worried about these vile boys - makes me sick with fury.

Signed. It’s a disgrace

Patronising the intelligent women of mumsnet is not a good look - good grief. It doesn’t matter about the protocol. It’s a quick sign of support for the children who are the victims. They still know how many people submitted the request. This would happen in any circumstance given no one has a crystal ball to see if anyone else has submitted.

We all realise, of course, that any of our daughters can be raped by a peer at school and it will be fine for the perpetrator. We are receiving that message loud and clear. We must fight this. It’s all linked to children who are female being sexualised by grown men. That’s the only reason that judge was able to come to his decision. His sensibilities were unable to accommodate the gravity of the crime because of what he has normalised in his private consciousness. We see him and his ilk.

This is what I put. - Raping two children at knifepoint on two separate occasions and distributing via social media requires extensive custodial sentence as this puts children walking the streets at serious risk of this life changing crime being repeated as it is effectively being decriminalised. The victim impact statement clearly points out they feel like ending their lives and for the system to collude with the perpetrators in demonstrating the children who are victims are actually worth nothing in our society speaks volumes about the misogyny endemic within the court and I also call for the judge to be sacked as he is unsuitable for office.

I also pointed out the 5.4% conviction rates for reported rapes.

The blackbelt barrister has also been on this.

Even if nothing comes of it, hopefully it sends a message to those girls that people care about what happened to them and think the sentence is wrong.

Signed

Thank you for this. The sentence will be reviewed. I didn't know that was a thing so thanks

The Judge here should be removed from duty. I don’t know how anyone could have looked at those crimes, heard that evidence from those brave girls and given those sentences. I’m glad it’s being reviewed. But it should never have happened in the first place.

Yes. Horrific.

That’s great news. Well done everyone.

I’m probably going to get flamed for this but I don’t feel those boys are “children”. I’ve never thought it actually. I think from teenager, so 13 onwards any crime committed the criminal should be treated as an adult in courts of law.

I was just coming on to see if anyone else had seen the news. I mean it isn't just this forum but I feel part of something today.

I hope someone is telling those two poor girls how supported they are.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15840665/Three-teenage-travellers-avoided-jail-raping-schoolgirls-sentences-overturned.html

Excellent news.