AIBU To celebrate the government finally releasing guidance on keeping single sex spaces single sex? Even if it is more than a year after the Supreme Court judgement

well, FAFO. Have at it, fellas.

Yeah, you're right - I was searching for a quick comparison and fell into the trap.

Highly possible. And, Bridget covers her ass at the same time because she can truthfully say "I laid the guidance before Parliament. Not my problem that they didn't get around to it ."

Because people on MN want to say that most trans identifying men are sex offenders. It doesn’t work so well when the teenage girls wanting to be boys gets mentioned

Apart from the fact that those cubicles aren’t fully enclosed - you can see what’s happening inside, to a certain extent - and people come and go in the main area.
@keeptoiletssafe has plenty of information on the additional dangers of fully enclosed designs.

About fucking time.

I’m picturing Bridget Phillipson in the House of Commons this afternoon with a wheelie suitcase, passport in hand, cab waiting outside to jet away from the ensuing tantrums.

Oh heck. So is this one of those situations where potentially some git could scupper it even being reached by deliberately talking on and time wasting on a previous item.

Well not really, as other women would be coming in and out.

Bravo to that post, so well put!

Why are crimes against women so often compared to crimes of property?

They're designed to avoid that. Reasonable chance of another woman in another cubicle. Also I forgot to mention voyeurism. Most women's toilets are are designed with double doors and no eyeline. And harder to walk in and leave a camera in single sex provision.

I don't have the source to hand but there really are more sexual offences in unisex provision.

No need to make it easier for them though is there? Burglars can always break into your house, but you should still lock the door.

It's actually quite frightening that a very vocal tiny minority have had this impact in the first place. #bekind can fuck right off into the past, I'm utterly sick of all this conversation. A man wearing a dress and lipstick is still a biological male and it's time that transgenderism is addressed as either the mental illness or fetish that it actually is.

How dare we think about celebrating won’t someone think of the poor menz,

now, where’s the champagne…

Yeah but if you wanted to be pedantic about this there’s nothing preventing a man from entering female only loos and doing that.

the media say it’s in the guidelines - no obligation to be single sex but when you are it needs to be on the basis of biological sex. Whether “single gender” organisations are ever permitted is a bit of a grey area as it would depend on bog standard men bringing a case when excluded or women challenging on the basis of discrimination that they couldn’t have a female only group. Ones which have it in their charity articles won’t suddenly be allowed to admit men without changing them.

i wonder if there is now some guidance about membership of all women groups like the Women’s Institute who have changed their membership rules this year so only those assigned female at birth can join. It has caused a lot of upset and quite a number of members have not rejoined (19 out of a membership of 46 at one of my WIs).

As far as I understand, National Federation have always said they had to make these changes because the Supreme Court ruling forced them to comply with their charitable status and they did not have the funds to fight a legal battle.

There’s no door to enter the area with the cubicles either, it’s open plan so no more opportunity to be sexually assaulted than in any other area of the uni.

More than any other area where you can be quickly be shoved into a small, enclosed space and the door locked, you mean.

I’ve been in some really grim women’s loos in my time too to be fair… The self contained ones I mentioned are generally always immaculate but then it’s in one of the best buildings at Man Met and it’s cleaned constantly.