AIBU To celebrate the government finally releasing guidance on keeping single sex spaces single sex? Even if it is more than a year after the Supreme Court judgement

Yes if it takes Labour infighting so be it. Well done to all the women getting us here. Much appreciated.

Timing of this is interesting after the Burnham debacle. But hey ho, who cares, so long as it is FINALLY published ,

Gods, I hope so!

This is just false. Feminists here are extremely concerned with what is being done to girls in the name of this ideology.

Read Hannah Barnes
Read Abigail Shrier
Look up Keira Bell
Watch Vaishnavi Sundar's excellent 4 part documentary
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRU9NIX0AA143z2QKukQcOqS96qriKGyw

Just on female to male transition, people forget that it was the Tavistock itself that raised that the number of young girls transitioning to men was unusual, and were concerned at the impact of mysogyny on those decisions back in 2016: "It's quite hard work to come to our clinic. We put them through an assessment process and none of these young people are doing this lightly.
"But we do need to consider whether there are some ways in which being male and having a male body is particularly attractive in 2016, the beginning of the 21st Century, whether there are any ways in which the social landscape shapes and influences how people feel about their role in life, their body and how they're going to live in that body for the rest of their lives."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36010664

The Tavistock were also feeling their way blind when it came to treating kids who were presenting with gender dysphoria. There's a great podcast about it by Tortoise: https://open.spotify.com/show/0W0PoVdgzIHbwcFdV9tpZD?si=Z5f5KFnNSxiB3DwEXoxt3Q

So, when you say "Because people on MN want to say that most trans identifying men are sex offenders. It doesn’t work so well when the teenage girls wanting to be boys gets mentioned", you are talking about some random couple of people and not actually what many people think at all?

It would be a false claim to make that "most trans identifying men are sex offencers", but please do go and find the many examples that must support your generalisation.

What is more likely is that some posters will point out that any male person over the age of about 8 years old are accessing female single sex provisions in the UK when they should not be. And many of those male people accessing those female single sex provisions in the UK, do so knowing that they are excluded from them and it is highly likely that they understand that they shouldn't and that there may be some female people there who might be distressed by a male person's presence there. Even if that female person doesn't show their distress.

No one says “I’m against trans people”. They simply don’t believe in your ideology so don’t really see a difference between one man who claims to be a woman and another one who doesn’t. Many people have concerns about children being influenced to believe they are the opposite sex.

The question is, when will we actually know? After 5:30?

I know right - sipping champagne?! the cheek - never mind spraying it around - what were these men thinking? Didn't they consider the other team's feelings?

I really don't get your point. Most people on here are not "against trans people" just "against men using female single-sex spaces." We are not wanting to be able to say that "they are all or mainly sex offenders" -the crime statistics that some of us have posted are just that, statistics. We didn't make them up, and nowhere in those statistics does it say that all trans people are sex offenders. The stats just show that trans-identified male crime rates are comparable to non-trans-identified male crime rates. Which makes sense, because they are men.

In the building I’ve been moved to, for my own safety, because my rapist is such a risk, there are single occupancy toilets. All of them are, without exception, in a corridor of their own, off another corridor. And all have floor to ceiling doors. They are such a risk for lots of reasons.

Well, unless you’re walking and someone drags you into a cubicle….

Am I a TERT?
Tired of Explaining the Reality of Toilets?

Just an observation in passing, but it's always astonished me (sarcasm - no, actually it really hasn't..) that, considering how much of female socialisation consists of enforcing female silence and inculcating female self-censorship, TRAs are so bloody loud and shouty. Don't they ever realise how, well, unfeminine it is?

Forgot to add pic for @Sartre

Exactly. So that is why when some people say they are against trans people, they want to be able to say that it is because they are all or mainly sex offenders. And the girls don’t usually fall into that camp, so they don’t get mentioned

Currently rather annoyed at the man who started reddit (married to Serena Williams) avoiding the elephant in the room while he sheepishly launches a female only sports initiative on woman’s hour

So like the design on the right, rather than the design on the left. It doesn’t matter if the toilet room leads into the busiest concourse, if something is happening inside a room and no one can see.

This is why radar keys were invented, to try and stop people targeting these toilets for misuse (sex, drugs, sleeping rough). The sex can be with or without consent. It is precisely the complete privacy that makes it attractive. It’s very rare that people are murdered in toilets, but deaths are regular in toilet compartments. So much so that to comply with building control all non-domestic toilet doors should be capable of opening outwards from the outside, because people tend to collapse onto the door.

Until very recently, this was socially unacceptable and anyone seeing this would know that and possibly call police, or nearby staff. We reached the point where the man just has to say he's a woman and it's the real women who are in trouble for objecting. There have been plenty of instances of this, even after the Supreme Court judgement, for example https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/23/council-gym-trans-row/ (changing rooms, not loos, but same principle).

I think they were happy with the Amnesty intervention (not the SG’s submissions), but there were no “trans people” involved, even though ISTR their legal person was a non binary woman.

Is that why they keep peddling the lie that no one in the case represented trans people, despite the Scottish Government and Amnesty doing just that?

...aaand ... teenage girls are not generally known for being sex offenders, are they?