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AIBU to think the Education Secretary interview with Gemma Collins was a mistake?

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PinkBobby · 20/05/2026 17:54

I have just watched a clip on social media of the Education Secretary sitting down with Gemma Collins (of TOWIE fame) and cannot believe they thought that’s the conversation schools/parents/teachers/SEN children need to hear right. I have nothing against Gemma Collins and think she could probably give a few govt departments some useful, blunt feedback but this feels like a huge fail.

Interested to hear if anyone thinks this is a PR success or agree it totally misses the mark.

YABU - It was a great discussion and you’re being unfair.

YANBU - The chat totally misses the mark and highlights the divide between politicians and the real world.

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LuckyHazelFox · 29/05/2026 09:20

MmeDubois7 · 29/05/2026 00:43

I didn't know who she was. She looks like Diana Dors in a school uniform.

😆 🤣

CaesarAugusta · 29/05/2026 09:17

smallglassbottle · 21/05/2026 14:24

The labour party really hate working class people don't they? The absolute misery that securing an education can cause, for both sen kids and bullied kids and they're taking the piss out of struggling people, parents and children.

I hope everyone involved in this shitshow gets the life they deserve.

I don't think they do. After all, that misery is shared across all classes except, I suppose, those who can afford to buy the education their child needs. What Bridget Phillipson seems to hate is people who are both bright and inconsiderate enough to point out the deficiencies in her proposals - hence the way she tried to characterise it as lawyers protecting their income, when the reality is that these proposals will keep lawyers very busy for years to come.

I suspect that the whole GC thing was a PR initiative, and no-one had the sense to see that it was going to fall like a lead balloon, particularly given that it was timed just after the demonstration and the deadline for entering a response to the White Paper, when parents and carers would be feeling particularly despondent about the prospective loss of their children's rights. If Phillipson had any sense, she would have binned it after the first video, rather than trying to defend it.

MmeDubois7 · 29/05/2026 00:43

I didn't know who she was. She looks like Diana Dors in a school uniform.

smallglassbottle · 21/05/2026 14:24

The labour party really hate working class people don't they? The absolute misery that securing an education can cause, for both sen kids and bullied kids and they're taking the piss out of struggling people, parents and children.

I hope everyone involved in this shitshow gets the life they deserve.

noblegiraffe · 21/05/2026 13:31

All I’m asking you to do is learn whilst you’re there.

I’m sure that intervention will make all the difference. Thanks Gemma!

Shedmistress · 21/05/2026 13:05

I'd like to see the video of the Education Secretary and the meeting with the headmistress of the Michaela school whose pupils achieve amazing exam results...if they haven't managed to close it down.

ilovemynails · 21/05/2026 12:58

I give up.

Watercooler · 21/05/2026 12:57

It must be a reverse. To demonstrate why we need a population that is better educated than Gemma collins.

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 21/05/2026 12:52

My mum who was a teacher and all her teacher friends would have no idea who Gemma is, they might think she’s good to help kids study but that’s about it.

PinkBobby · 21/05/2026 12:37

As PPs have mentioned, it appears to be an attempt to reach certain groups re vocational options and similar. This speaks volumes re how they view people who struggle at school or want to pursue non-academic career options. The timing also speaks volumes about their understanding of SEND and the impact of their reforms. A huge group of people are extremely concerned about their children’s futures and they are making jokey social media clips. I’d love to know how many hours were spent organising/planning/filming this chat. Even if GC wasn’t paid, valuable DoE time was spent on this rather than all the other things teachers and parents are begging for help with.

I’ve just seen that an actual SEND teacher (Jamie Gilbert) also got some time with the Ed sec recently. Sadly, he only got to record his question for her as a video rather than them actually having a chat together. Why can’t we see a recorded chat between Philipson and a real teacher so we can hear the real issues being discussed. Not some scripted response that fails to deal with the actual issues.

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SorryWeAreClosed · 21/05/2026 12:30

Bunnycat101 · 21/05/2026 12:15

Oh god it is getting worse. They’ve now put out a clip of what GC would do if she was education secretary for the day…

‘I’d do a whole morning shout-
out. Everyone tune into me, the GC. All I’m asking you to do is learn whilst you’re there. Now go to school hunnies, go to college, go to uni and have a fabulous day.”

FMl is this really what we’ve descended to. Gahhhhh. I think 95% of the population would have something more thoughtful to say.

I saw this. How is it congruous to say she has a g in maths and still couldn't give a toss that she doesn't know what pi is, but that kids must go into their educational setting and be fabulous!

What does be fabulous mean? Because the way she's storming about in a mockery of a school j uniform looks like be fabulous means go in and have a laugh and don't take your education seriously.

Phillipson stating that people who are struggling with this messaging are snobs with no sense of humour seems to also be of the opinion that while attendance in school isn't optional, getting your head down and doing your best is!

I think I'm finding it particularly difficult as having been to a comprehensive school not too far from Phillipson but I'm guessing that was a completely different environment to the one that got her to Oxford, my school really was a race to the bottom where bright kids used to have to get things wrong on purpose as a strategy for not being singled out.

Bunnycat101 · 21/05/2026 12:15

Oh god it is getting worse. They’ve now put out a clip of what GC would do if she was education secretary for the day…

‘I’d do a whole morning shout-
out. Everyone tune into me, the GC. All I’m asking you to do is learn whilst you’re there. Now go to school hunnies, go to college, go to uni and have a fabulous day.”

FMl is this really what we’ve descended to. Gahhhhh. I think 95% of the population would have something more thoughtful to say.

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 21/05/2026 11:48

Absolutely bat shit advice for putting the GC on this interview. I suspect as pp said they think it will appeal to chav parents and give hope that you can have a successful career without passing qualifications. Gemma doing well in I’m A Celebrity must’ve swung their decision to involve her too. I can’t stand the woman personally, I’ve seen her in the wild in a Romford bar frequented by Towie types.

noblegiraffe · 21/05/2026 11:20

Schools are also waiting for the updated child protection guidelines which will need to be implemented in time for September but still aren’t out and the summer holidays are approaching.

Seeing the DfE fannying around on shit like this instead of getting the statutory safeguarding guidance out is rather frustrating.

SorryWeAreClosed · 21/05/2026 11:10

I don't know much detail but they are making sweeping changes to sen provision in school that people are very worried about and these skits appeared the day after there was a consultation on Sen provision that many parents, teachers and other people who will be affected will have spent a lot of time thinking about and carefully contributing to.

Families are frustrated, are desperate for their children to have a suitable education but feel let down as in many cases it falls far short of meeting needs. The timing of this propaganda, making a joke or if education rubs salt into that wound when families crying out for decent provision feel they're not being taken seriously.

TonTonMacoute · 21/05/2026 10:34

In Amandaland the school head teacher tears her a new one for completely undermining his efforts to get the message across that SM influencer and 'being a slob' is not a sensible career choice. Now we have the Minister for Education undermining him as well.

JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff · 21/05/2026 09:50

Grapefruitwarrior · 21/05/2026 00:19

I just would have loved to be a fly on the wall for the brainstorming session that produced this idea . I’m cringing just thinking about it.

"Quiet bat people...?"

MaggieFS · 21/05/2026 09:47

I’m sorry I’ve only watched the Richard III section, not any more. Why so many comments specifically on SEN parenting? What’s the link?

That aside, NO ONE should ever have signed off on this. Even if they did it and then said ‘nah, not quite right’. It’s horrific.

Sartre · 21/05/2026 09:40

SorryWeAreClosed · 21/05/2026 08:48

They made a choice to put Gemma in an outfit that's reminiscent of a school uniform - tie, waist coat that is much too tight, a shirt that is probably very expensive but gives the impression of holes at the shoulders. They went for a scruffy visual caricature off a schoolgirl. Why?.

The comments about her maths grade. What do we take from that? That it doesn't matter if you fail your exams you can still make a success of yourself by becoming a celebrity?

The 'joke' about pi/sky. That it's fine for someone Gemma's age to continue to show no curiosity? Academic learning stops at 16?

Who is it aimed at and what is the message they were trying to get across?

I think it may be aimed at who the government believes the average vocational learner is. I’ve just thought about it a bit and it clicked with me. They think people who do apprenticeships are working class and thick like GC so will relate.

Newsenmum · 21/05/2026 09:37

SorryWeAreClosed · 21/05/2026 08:48

They made a choice to put Gemma in an outfit that's reminiscent of a school uniform - tie, waist coat that is much too tight, a shirt that is probably very expensive but gives the impression of holes at the shoulders. They went for a scruffy visual caricature off a schoolgirl. Why?.

The comments about her maths grade. What do we take from that? That it doesn't matter if you fail your exams you can still make a success of yourself by becoming a celebrity?

The 'joke' about pi/sky. That it's fine for someone Gemma's age to continue to show no curiosity? Academic learning stops at 16?

Who is it aimed at and what is the message they were trying to get across?

So is gemma now representing the average sen child???

SorryWeAreClosed · 21/05/2026 08:48

They made a choice to put Gemma in an outfit that's reminiscent of a school uniform - tie, waist coat that is much too tight, a shirt that is probably very expensive but gives the impression of holes at the shoulders. They went for a scruffy visual caricature off a schoolgirl. Why?.

The comments about her maths grade. What do we take from that? That it doesn't matter if you fail your exams you can still make a success of yourself by becoming a celebrity?

The 'joke' about pi/sky. That it's fine for someone Gemma's age to continue to show no curiosity? Academic learning stops at 16?

Who is it aimed at and what is the message they were trying to get across?

Shedmistress · 21/05/2026 07:55

Could a FOI be put in to request the minutes and all written notes from attendees at this meeting that decided this would get the go ahead? Plus the original oroposal?

It is so totally batshit it is has to be by design.

ILovePeggySue · 21/05/2026 07:23

Grapefruitwarrior · 21/05/2026 00:19

I just would have loved to be a fly on the wall for the brainstorming session that produced this idea . I’m cringing just thinking about it.

You can't actually imagine who is sitting round the table and coming up with an idea like this. I mean if this is their final polished product, fuck knows what the rejected ideas were like. It is embarrassing for them and a kick in the teeth for anyone with a SEN child trying to get bloody support. Idiots.

Sartre · 21/05/2026 07:06

Thechateau · 21/05/2026 07:03

I can't think of any logic that makes more sense than this.

Is this an actual stereotype of SEN parents? I have a child with SEN but wouldn’t consider myself to be a chav, I have a PhD if that counts. The other SEN parents I’ve met haven’t been ‘chavs’ either, perfectly regular respectable people. How can being a chav and having a child with SEN even be linked?

Also did they discuss SEN? All I saw was Gemma Collins spouting off about her bizarre love of Richard III.

Thechateau · 21/05/2026 07:03

Ooodelally · 20/05/2026 18:39

They think all SEN parents are “chavs” and they think Gemma Collins will appeal to that demographic. They make me sick.

I can't think of any logic that makes more sense than this.