Men... are u okay? What is the problem?

Don’t have a son will you ffs OP.

That's not how that statistic works Lavender.

If 91% of crimes are committed by men, it does not mean 91% of the male population have committed crimes.

It means if there are 10 crimes, 9 of them have been committed by a man, 1 by a woman. If you have the 10 criminals in front of you, 91% are men, and 9% is a woman.

What you're saying is if there are 10 (random) men, 9 of them (91% of them) have done a crime - which is a completely different statistic; you mean 91% of criminals are men.

And even that isn't right, because it might be that men do a lot of crimes but there's more crime per man e.g. George, who has done 9 crimes is only one man, but he would account for 90% of the crime in the example above.

True... but maybe have a look at when women were finally 'allowed' to have their own bank accounts... 1975 FFS!
These things didnt happen by accident- these are hard won rights that we shouldn't even have had to fight for.
It saddens me that those rights are taken for granted.

You mean by other girls? I know there are some bad women out there too but not in the same proportion as bad men.

Exactly. I’m sure the OP would change her tune if she needed life saving treatment and shock horror it was given by a man.

I was in a Facebook group it was a men only group, the focus was around men's support for mental health but I had to leave because many members of the group were very toxic towards women and it was pretty awful, sure I've seen some anti men posts on mumsnet but nothing on the level of what I witnessed on that Facebook group.

Many people's views men with be based around their life experience the way men have behaved towards them their family members or friends.

My own childhood experiences makes it extremely difficult to trust men, I won't go into details but I've posted a few times previously about it. And I think as well that when you get the NAMALT brigade, it the view of the person who have been harmed by men for that person it minimizes the trauma rhey have suffered.

Sure there are nice men, but for many that's few and far between, you only have to read social media or switch on the news to find s story where men and boys have done something to women or girls. And as a man I agree men's behavior is getting worse and can see why there is a lot of anger directed towards men especially when they have previous trauma from it.

I think it depends on the set up of the station. This particular station it is safer to stay by the entrance because you have to cross the bridge to get to my platform and then you’re a bit stuck if you feel uncomfortable or threatened.

I remember police giving a talk at my kids school about staying safe. Apparently the big issue for the sixth form girls was being glassed in local pubs/clubs . So no it isn't all about bad men.

I’ve been very lucky in having a wonderful grandfather, father and husband. All have always encouraged me to be the best I can and follow what I want to do, with never any suggestion of it being different because I was a girl. I find it very draining listening to women bringing down men as though they are all the same.

Yes, I’ve met some awful men, but I’ve also met plenty awful women. I have a son and have raised him to be respectful and have good manners towards all people, not just because they are male or female.

I’m genuinely sorry some women feel this way, but it hasn’t been my experience of men.

Where did I say that? The vast majority of men aren't rapists and murderers. But we don't know which ones are, and all of them are someone's son. And even they weren't until they were.

And mine

As are the men in mine.

I know they don't. But why? IME it's because we are taught that we can't/shouldn't. My friend growing up really wanted to be a bin(wo)man . She was told that she couldn't as she'd get dirty! She does however work in a make dominated field. The misogyny is off the scale.

@LeaderBee

I don't understand your argument here.

Firstly - 100 years ago is not 4 generations ago.

Are we supposed to just forget historic events that have had an extremely significant impact on our lives just because we were not born at the time?

Shall we forget the World Wars?
Shall we forget colonialism - even though that was in my lifetime?
Shall we forget slavery?

What do you mean?

I consider myself quite aggressively feminist (and I'm inclusive of sexuality, class, race, gender, intersex, transgender,, size, etc in this)
I work in mental health. We see roughly equal numbers of men and women, and a lot of people's trouble's and suicidality overlaps. But there are a couple of patterns in what each gender is more likely to struggle with.

Women are the ones who are more likely to be stretching themselves too thin, at the whims of a workplace or a family/partner who are taking them for granted. They are likely to be asking us to help them cope with the impossible demands on them, without actually reducing any of those demands. There's often trauma in the background.

Men are the ones who are more likely suicidal after a break up in a relationship, often there's drug/alcohol use and anger issues that led up to this and their poor (usually female) partner has stepped away from them for self preservation. There's often trauma in the background for them too.

I think men's mental health makes the person and others both suffer. Often the impact of women's mental health is isolated to the person themself.

Men's is slightly more likely to be numbed (drugs/alcohol) and externalised (relying on partner, anger issues). Women's is slightly more likely to be internalised (self harm, suicidal ideation), and shut down (emotionally frozen).

There's a lot more overlaps but these are the more "gendered" versions that I see of mental health. There's been studies done on this too which would of course be more rigorous.

This isn't about physical differences I think it's about what we expect of "Men" and of "Women" - to be considerate, to be brave, to ask for help, looks different in each gender and people have their own strict ideas.

It's got to the point that I am finding it cliche when men think it's less of a burden to be found trying to hang themselves than it is to actively make changes to their lives, and when women would rather break themselves than leave a workplace/relationship.

funny, when in the same situation, I do go on the train platform because someone else feels safer (even if it's a MAN) in case a gang barges in and starts making trouble. Which is rare, but not that rare.

Never. Most men are fine. Like most women.

It’s not all men, but it’s always men!!!

they are mainly ok but there’s enough doing bad things to give them all a bad name

No, I’ll be explaining the dangers of strangers, making sure she knows how to hand out a beating and raising her to hopefully have a healthy self-esteem but I’m not filling my daughter’s head with a random fear of men.

OP, whatever has happened to you, I’m really sorry. It must have been really bad for you to feel like this. But while many men do terrible things, many men do not. And any try with my daughter, well, they’ll have me to deal with (and I’m scarier than any guy) 🤨

So the piss ends up on bare feet instead???

This thread is ridiclous

I do pity you, if you genuinely think you are at potential risk of rape and murder every time you cross the path of a male.

What a way to live

If your little baby was a boy would you feel the same way ?

I was stuck for hours on the motorway, someone was threatening to jump off a motorway bridge so they stopped all the traffic. Eventually I had to go and find a secluded spot. The embarrassment knowing that everyone in the other cars knew what I was doing was bad, not as bad as wetting myself.

91% of crimes are committed by men. OK, i can accept that proposition.

What percentage of men commit crimes, at all? out of the entire population?