Men... are u okay? What is the problem?

I think your OP is very extreme and I know a lot of men who are wonderful, compassionate, clever people who contribute positively to society in myriad ways so I disagree with much of what you've said.

Ben, I also do think a disproportionate percentage of men (by comparison with women) behave atrociously. I see them daily in the street, pissing outside when it is totally unnecessary (i.e. not an emergency), ignoring traffic rules in cars, on bikes, as pedestrians, behaving aggressively, dropping litter, spitting, watching stuff on their phones with the volume on full and no headphones (agreed, this is girls/women also but I see it much more commonly in men than women). And that without even going into official criminal statistics mentioned by you and many others, which cannot be ignored. Not to mention the war-mongering attitudes that are predominantly pushed by male politicians.

It's telling that if I knew there were only women on the streets, I wouldn't be concerned about my teen DC getting home safely at night.

Men do say horrible things about women on Pistonheads.

it must be the case...like all internet forums....there is specific audience drawn in, no matter what they say

Ahhhhhh, you're gonna love it on Mumsnet. 😆

Welcome @LavenderSkiesxo

And yes, sadly and unfortunately, much of your observations and musings are right, about most men. The Not My Nigels don't take long to appear on this kind of thread of course.

Unfortunately, it doesn't get any better. Tale as old as time. Women get the shitty end of the stick, always have, always will. Throughout their entire life. And much of the shit that women have to endure is caused by MEN.

As long as women have the babies, women will always be the ones who get the shitty end of the stick and have all the childcare pushed onto them, along with most of the domestic chores/grunt work/wifework.

And yes, many women DO put up with a lot of shit from men. Some men are fine before women marry them and have babies with them, otherwise most women wouldn't bloody marry them! Some women know what they're like but put up with it because (for some women) having a man who is a bit shit much of the time is better than being alone. Also, babies. Many women want them, and unforunately, they need a man to help them get one. Many men want babies/children too, but don't want to lift a finger to help with the childcare, or with the housework, domestic duties, or childcare. It's left to the women the vast majority of the time.

Not my Nigels are gonna Not my Nigel though. There are more men that are useless than there are men that aren't useless not though.

Someone from the NAMALT brigade and the Not My Nigels will be along soon to say my post is nonsense.

It's not, it's really not.....

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Yes, I did. Need to proof read before posting 🙈. I thought be obvious what I meant though

I had a current account before 1975. Maybe I didn't have a legal right to one but I had one.

You're scared of men, because enough men are associated with scary things to make that a sensible action to take.

You realise that not all the men in the world are scary, but it's better safe than sorry.

I don't think anyone can blame you for resenting that situation. Back in 2012 we called it "Rape Culture" and we fought against victim-blaming, slut-shaming, and to ensure society as a whole put the blame back on rapists/criminals, including improving how things are reported to the police and how we educate men and boys about consent, autonomy, and bodily rights. It's where "SlutWalks" come from.

It doesn't mean that your fears are all true and we'd be better off somehow eradicating men as a concept/type of human.

I love this thread, it has everything on the first 2 pages

• a person who takes their shoes off to take a piss
• multiple people who have a nice dad
• history lessons about the right to vote
• false equivalences galore
• 'dangerous jobs' like lion tamer presumably
• someone who's daughter would be sad if anyone was ever mean about her brother

Keep up the good work OP

That analogy only works if there are no shits in the female chocolate box.

If I had to pick a tray I would probably pick the female one, but there is still a chance you'll eat shit.

The favourite people in my life have been men and the ones to show me kindness and acceptance have been men. The males in my family are moral, caring and protective.

But I don't disagree with you though, all I can assume is that there's a wide difference between the men who do these things and those that don't.

Instead of silencing debate, maybe it would be good to understand what actually causes these differences, as they are vast.

Because people deserve better. Simple isn't it?

Why? It’s none of your business really.

YABVU for starting with "this will probably be deleted"

Why?

Not sure if you are aware but women can’t just squat in the street. Men can piss standing up without anyone being able to see their genitals.

Its no more disgusting then when people let their little boys piss in the street

I should imagine it's just deeper underground. We know sexism is on the rise, so is crimes against women (even taking into account more people are reporting it).

The truth? Thats always subjective and you sound like someone who is VERY prone to subjective views. You literally say apart from sperm what is the point of a man? Maybe to take a bullet 100 years ago so a woman like you can post this? What is the point in a woman who doesn't reproduce? What is the point in a man or woman on benefits who doesn't contribute to society? What is the point in giving drugs to elderly people to keep them alive? What is the point of keeping people with disabilities alive? Why are you not starting threads to this effect?

I do voluntary garden at a churchyard. We get men regularly come in a piss there, thinking nobody is around. I now take enjoyment in telling them to stop being dirty buggers, just as they've started. Hope I ruin the flow.

It's a churchyard. Have some respect fgs!

I had a look at this - you all realise this thread is from 2007?? I'm not saying that people don't still think like this but the population of internet forum users in 2007 was a lot more niche than nowadays, and the attitude of sexism was very different in 2007 (I'm not going to say better or worse).

Surely we can get a more relevant example of current sexism online?

True but women also do those things the OP mentions.

I'm perimenopausal and so I'm fully down for this rage bait.

I only have time for things that add value to my life. Men are pissing me off right now and they just hold me back. I feel like Ginger Rogers - I do everything they do, backwards in fucking heels. What is the POINT of men?

I do think we are probs being unreasonable though.