Men... are u okay? What is the problem?

@Jane379 It doesn't really change my point. A whopping 40% of men not being able to vote as late as 1884 shows that men didn't have universal voting rights either.

It seems to be a widespread misconception that men were always able to vote. Clearly that's not true.

Men did not have the vote until after World War 1.

• Sorry, but that's incorrect.

Many orking class men got the vote in 1918 , and everyone else before that, though working class men only gained it gradually:

' As the struggle for greater democracy advanced through the 19th century, parliament was forced to pass three Reform Acts in 1832, 1867 and 1884, each one preceded by mass agitation and riots.
These reforms gradually lowered the property qualifications for men, extending the franchise to many more. Yet even after the third reform act of 1884, only around 60 per cent of men had the vote.'

https://www.spiked-online.com/2018/02/07/the-forgotten-victory-votes-for-working-class-men/

I could only open the second link but of that list of 25 inventions, apart from the circular I did not see any blatantly unfair theft by men of a women's inventions, did you read the article(s)?

Mine too! Adore my husband dad and father in law.

Yes that would make sense. Sane people would appreciate the warning

I used to think this until I seperated from my husband because of his constant drinking and partying. All of those jobs that he just couldn’t do because ‘men don’t see mess’ etc suddenly were totally within his capabilites when he lived on his own. Suddenly he was able to spend time with our kids by himself when he lived on his own. And all of a sudden he was able to talk about his feelings and do the emotional work when he was living on his own. Stupid me thought these were evidence of him growing up and being an adult man instead of a little fuck boy but no after a year of living with us again the man disapeeared and I’m now left with an even worse fuck boy because he went to six therapy sessions so thinks he’s perfect.

Even if they aren’t ‘bad’ men they are generally only ever doing the bare minimum. They won’t rape or murder you but they won’t challenge make friends who show red flags (mysoginistic comments, rape jokes etc). They’ll do the household chores you ask them do but only do half a job and generally need constant reminding. They’ll spend time with the kids but only as a family, they won’t take them out and leave you to chill by yourself. They’ll provide financially but won’t set up a pension or savings for you. I could go on but it’s too depressing.

No need. I wear a badge that says it for me.

Now now you're being dense dear

The first time I identified coercive control (though I did not know what is was called) was in the early eighties when I had a young female patient whose husband insisted on being in the bathroom in the morning while she used the toilet.

Exactly!

Doesnt say they cannot do the jobs.....

Still can't see point of this thread 🤷🏼‍♀️

Lock the door.

Complicated question; when galvanised bins full of ash had to be lifted to shoulder height and tipped not many women would have found this easy. Not many men could do it all day. Now we have wheelybins is the work environment uninviting or do no woman actually want to do it?

Anecdotally, men working on tarmac gangs had to be capable of the occasional fist fight to avoid bullying - would this be a welcoming environment for women?

I am sure you are largely right, but I think there are still practical and psychological bars to women working in some jobs, even if they fancied doing so.

Did all the female refuse collectors also have their jobs stolen from them by men? 🤔

Once more, with feelings - a couple of lists of women's crucial inventions stolen by men

https://historycollection.com/women-who-had-their-work-stolen-from-them-by-men/

https://www.notesfromthefrontier.com/post/inventions-by-women-but-men-got-the-credit

These lists are non exhaustive of course

I didn't mean in the trans way. More that they identify as masculine. Like, if you have a butch haircut, walk like John Wayne, and drive a tipper for a living you're not really exuding femininity.

I think I'd find it scarier being a nurse tbh. Certainly a policewoman. But I've always loved fast cars and pickups so driving large vehicles doesn't bother me.

But I'm actually OK with unequal representation as long as it's the result of free choice, which I think it is. Equality of opportunity doesn't usually lead to equality of outcome IMO because most women will choose the careers that appeal to them when they have the freedom to. These aren't usually jobs where you get covered in mud and get dust in your hair everyday IME.

I'm not keen on forced quotas because it often results in people being hired for ideological reasons rather than for their individual meritsl. I recently read an example which I agreed with, which was that the standard of the NBA would likely fall if they mandated that there had to be a 50/50 split between black and white players.

But some posters are actually saying all
overtly stating it’s all men

Its not that women couldnt though. Women were held back in education, in work, in society for millenia. By... men

Also an obvious butch lesbian driving one at another HS2 site but I don't know if that really counts if she identifies as a fella lol

Butch lesbians don't identify as fellas

Construction sites must be intimidating places for most women; after all, they are for many men. But, like STEM, positive encouragement for women to work in construction might be a good thing.

I've been working in construction for around a decade. Not walking around with a clipboard or sitting in an office. Actually driving concrete trucks and tippers and using front end loaders to move aggregates around etc.

There's no reason why women can't operate heavy plant machinery. The excuse about physical strength doesn't really apply to pushing levers and steering. However, I'm yet to meet another woman that operates heavy plant. I've seen a middle aged woman driving a mini dumper on a HS2 site and another quite young woman driving a 60 ton ADT on a different site. Also an obvious butch lesbian driving one at another HS2 site but I don't know if that really counts if she identifies as a fella lol. But that's about it.

I do see quite a few female truckers though. HD Ricketts seem to have loads. There's about five different young women that come to our plants in arctic tippers and only about two blokes. Possibly because the MD's daughter is a driver. But overall I'm not sure it's even one in a hundred.

100% women don't want to do these jobs. It's only feminists that have ever told me that women can't work in construction because of the 'rampant misogyny' and it's painfully clear most have never set foot on a jobsite. I obv didn't get the memo as it's not even on my radar tbh but I'm glad I didn't read any of that stuff before choosing my current occupation because it might've put me off, although I doubt it.

Unless you read my previous posts 😆

Quite.

If we're going to assess all 32m UK men on the actions of the 100 that commit femicide each year then surely we should also be looking at the other side of the coin. Like the 32,000 male firefighters in this country working in an industry that is 90% male staffed. It'd be interesting to know exactly how many female lives they save every year - certainly far more than 100. And that's before we consider things like which sex is the one giving their lives to stop tyrants like Putin. I'll bet Ukraine is grateful.

All this doesn't negate male violence but it's hard to argue that men don't provide a net benefit to women if you actually look at the statistics.

Somebody will no doubt point out that it's always other men that they're fighting against but that doesn't change the fact that we'd be fucked without good men to protect us from the bad men. How does the saying go....."People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf".

You only have to look at the plight of women in Afghanistan to see that this is the harsh truth. I always feel like feminists have a really blinkered view. Like, they'll dismiss the actions of good men by saying "oh, well what's the sex of the bad men they're fighting against?"

But you'll never ever hear a feminist or woke person say "FGM? Meh, it's black on black violence. Who's perpetrating it? It's always other people of colour".