AIBU to suggest emailing Andy Burnham about access to women’s toilets?

Yes, especially now poor old Kim Petras appears to be feeling the ill effects of years of abuse of hormones and prevention of puberty. He didn’t pass but now isn’t looking very well to add to his woes.

Hunter Schafer is their gold standard. He’s the one they point to as their best example of passing. He had puberty blockers and all the surgeries. All that money spent on him, way beyond the resources of an ordinary person,and yet he doesn’t pass.

I think it might be that we should have a two tier system and that those who are 'really good' (as in young, genetically 'blessed' with shorter slighter build, and have plenty of money for surgery and cosmetic disguises) should be able to use women's facilities because they pass and so we will know no better.
Meanwhile the bricks get thrown under the bus and into the gents. Which all seems a bit transphobic to me.
Not sure what Carol Vordeman has to do with the price of fish mind. The poor women's getting it from all sides this week. Targeted by Reform's Rob (at least he knows what a woman is..tits and arse...) Kenyon, and accused of being a possible bloke. That's what comes of being a brainy older woman I suppose.

Self catheterisation for trans is the key. Do it yourself and you won't need to go to the loo at all. Sorted.

But what's the implication of this?

There are Transwomen in the public eye that literally no one knows about? Who do you think they are? And why wouldn't they reveal themselves in solidarity for the cause?

But if they were really good, you wouldn't be able to tell.

Maybe Carol Vordeman was born Colin.

Evidence of such concern might include the individual’s physique or physical appearance,

So they don’t mention ‘feminine’ at all.

I think they are just trying to be polite and mean men who are trying to look like women.

Nope. Even Hunter Schafer who had puberty blockers is unmistakably male. I clocked him immediately in the hunger games before knowing who he was.

Its not about looking 'feminine' it's about the natural characteristics of the face and body that enable people to identify our sex.
We all know these characteristics exist and that they enable us to tell who is a man and who is a woman with very high levels of accuracy.
I don't know why we have to go through this pantomime of pretending otherwise. If it wasn't the case, then why are trans people so often 'misgendered' and so concerned about passing? Why does FFS exist?
If a woman somehow looks, sounds and presents in such a way she could be mistaken for a man and couldn't rectify the error by speaking, she wouldn't be finding that out for the first time in the ladies toilet. She'd know and be prepared to offer evidence of some sort. Just like people who know they look very young carry ID around.

Both sides , most marginalised , be kind

Have emailed......

Have emailed........

Did he just out-Starmer Starmer? 😂
He had nothing to say and yet somehow made that nothing up into words. It's art thats what it is. Amazing!

Spade. Dig. Big hole. Ooh, look, we’re nearly at Australia.

He’s clarified it apparently -

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/live-and-let-live-burnham-clarifies-stance-on-single-sex-spaces-after-backlash-5HjdZYN_2/

Back to the subject, emailing Andy Burnham to see if he has changed his mind, now that the guidance is out he would be very foolish to say anything other than that he will follow and implement the law. I'd be very surprised if he gives a personal opinion on it either way.

None of them "pass" because men can't be women.

Wasn't me although I might have put 50p in the transactivist. Sorry

You think women standing up for their rights is 'boring'. That sounds ... enlightened 🙄

I cannot think of a single 'transwoman' in the public eye who genuinely passes. Not one. Can you?

I mean when you see them moving /speaking, not on the basis of a carefully posed, heavily filtered photo.

It is a basic expectation of prime ministers that they can deal with more than one thing at a time

Challenging someone in such a space isn’t abuse. Women should dress however they like, that’s what being GC is. If I chose to present in such a gender non-conforming way, I wouldn’t care if someone approached me. It would be clear the minute I spoke that I was a woman, I’d prob love the fact they were standing up for their rights.

My post was about TRA’s speaking on behalf of such women, like it’s a ‘gotcha’, which I’m taking with a pinch of salt anyway or those complaining.

Like PP said, if men hadn’t broken the social code of single sex spaces, no one would be getting pulled up because that happens.

Ok. Own up. Who sent the batshit signal out!?!

Sounds a bit victim blaming to me. Why shouldn't women dress however they want? If that's jeans, baggy t and shirt hair, does that mean you have to put up with abuse? What a weird take from someone who apparently wants safe spaces for women. But only women who like a certain way clearly.

How would you know that someone that looks like a woman isn’t a woman .Women’s changing rooms maybe but in a toilette?