to think some retired people completely forget what it’s like to be working full time?

I see you conveniently ignored the rest of my post. I even wrote it twice.

For the THIRD TIME

I think we can all agree that elderly people are a burden in a sexist society.

Women are expected to care for elderly people. Men are not expected to care for elderly people

@cupofcup.This boomer remembers what it was like . You whipper snappers don’t know you’re born. I worked 16 hours a day 7 days a week. When I had meetings I had to get a train into London at 6 in the morning not sit on my laptop posting on MN.

YANBU
At my sister's wedding, her new MIL was making a lot of PA comments to my mum about not being there for my sister's baby. MIL has been retired for a long time, and my DM was in her 50s and working full time. DM just sat there in shock at most of it. The best was when MIL said that my DM was selfish for not dropping her hours so she could baby sit, so my sister could increase hers. They don't live near each other, and DM runs her own company (which she still does despite also being a pensioner now).

The retired people I know do seem to be very busy. They mainly go to various groups and some do a bit of volunteering.

I think we can all agree that elderly people are a burden.

No - we can't 'all' agree with that statement! FFS
Shall we shoot everyone as soon as they reach 70 to avoid the burden?

Try having some empathy as you too will be old one day.

And TBH a good many older people, even if reasonably fit and healthy, do tire more quickly. Yes, I know there’s the odd 80 year old running the London Marathon, but they are the exception.

It wasn’t until I started (willingly) doing little grandchild care in my late 60s, that I really started feeling my age. And I was fitter and more active than a good many.

I didn't mention 3 hours, but while you where posting this twaddle you could have watched at least two 30 mins episodes of something

And some people were never helpful and understanding, evidence can be found for this in the many judgmental comments on other threads from people who are clearly not retired. Unfortunately these people don't mellow with age. They are still irritating though.

This,

Most people do get tired more easily as they age, anyway. I'm only 53 and reasonably fit but my 53 year old body is nothing like my 43 year old body, and I'm not even talking about aesthetics either. Ageing sucks big time.

Also, even the most cursory flick through MN will tell you that many, many people have no ability to understand a person who is not them or a life that is not theirs, and hence cannot understand anyone being or reacting differently to how they would. And that's why they are judgy tossers.

So its really not just retired people OP.

"Within the current sexist socety".

Women are expected to care for elderly parents. Men are not expected.

I have been treated with cruelty and nastiness for daring to go to work, instead of looking after my elderly mother.

My brother was not asked to look after my mother at any stage of his life.

Do you just expect people to die so you are not inconvenienced ?

Speaking as someone who has been retired for fifteen year, I really don't understand that sort of mentality.

I have absolutely no idea what my neighbours get up to nor am I interested in finding out.

I haven't forgotten what it was like to get up at 6.15 in the morning to get to work and the relentlessness of looking after my three children on my own and trying to keep the house going all at the same time.

But I had a lot more energy then and I definitely get tired more quickly now, which is only to be expected. I am though, really lucky that I'm in very good health and still very active in my late 70s.

However, a great many people become quite sedentary after retirement, their world becomes smaller and they can begin to focus on petty things, like watching what their neighbours are up to and, because they're not doing a lot get tired more easily.

i like to keep busy and join things and I find that the retired people I meet tend to continue to be active and engaged in the world because they're getting out there and still learning and getting involved.

Would also add a lot of them are very busy with caring for grandchildren as well and that can be incredibly exhausting when you're older.

my dad drives me insane with this, he wanders in my house around 40 minutes before school ends to see my son, my husband is trying to work and he just sits there, doesn't make conversation himself. Does he actually think I don't have a million things to do in the tiny amount of time between me finishing work and doing the school run!
He also wanders in as tea is going on the table and we have 12 minutes to eat it and get to sports club.
Not one thing is ever done to help, it's always around his schedule. I wish I could pretend not to be in but we have big glass doors!

He does one thing a day like going down to watch bowls or go to asda cafe. If I suggest anything else he can't understand how he can fit it in.

Speaking of gardens, his is unbelievable, he actually has a shed in his garden you can't see for thorn bushes, 15 years of letting it grow and he had the audacity to say can me and my husband do it and he'll buy us fish and chips, yeah fuck off dad! Sorry rant over.

"I think we can all agree that elderly people are a burden" is a bit of a reach.

You know what I find irritating op is this constant narrative that older or retired women have no experience of real life and therefore. deserve to be belittled.

When I worked ft supporting my family we had a dress code, there was no working from home, hardly any crèches or nurseries, or wrap around care at school, there was rampant misogyny in the office and significant wage disparities between men and women. So I do think I do know a bit about real life actually and juggling children, work and home.

And wait and see how you feel as your energy drops off a cliff once you are past sixty. Many of us in this age group were told that HRT was dangerous and it’s now too late to start it. That’s not the case for everyone but it is for many.

Our parents brought us up with a degree of benign neglect yet we were expected to provide our dc with stellar educations, numerous extra curricular activities, interesting travel opportunities, nutritious whole foods, and to protect every aspect of their emotional wellbeing like a lioness.

Many of us have missed out on generous pensions such as those enjoyed by our older siblings and have had to go on working longer than ever before.

And many of us are still running large homes to which our adult children return home intermittently after university, between jobs, while seeking work, after relationship break ups.

And just when we think we are through the extended child-rearing period of our lives; we are then expected to provide childcare for tiny babies and pre-school toddlers or pre- or after-school care for older children during term time and especially in the holidays.

And you wonder why we are tired?

Mortgages were much higher in the late 80s/early 90s, relative to wages. Unemployment also v high. Of course, parents worked full time, often in several jobs. These people are now retiring. Each generation thinks they are the most hard done by. You’re not.

i can imagine how the sewing club can be exhausting 😂

Try to laugh about it, they're not going to get better 😂😂

The difference when you have young children is that you never ever get a break. People forget that - or they had a stream of babysitters, family members helping but many people do not have that luxury.

Whatever your job and activity, you have the freedom to go straight to bed when you come home, and stay in bed on your day off. You have not that choice when you have kids.

That's why having kids is tiredness on another level. You can't guarantee a full night sleep either.

So of course it's tiring.

Their lives are fine! Golf trips, sewing clubs, seeing friends and family regularly. They just moan about being “exhausted”

Yes. My DF, commenting on my weight and that I should diet/exercise when I’m working full time, looking after a house, pets, doing diy, shopping, cleaning, cooking etc. When he’s been retired for decades and is waited on hand and foot by my mum (both retired).

If I had the time and mental capacity to think about my diet and exercise then great! Send me a meal planner, shopper, cleaner, chef, someone to wash and put away my clothes and send me free money so I don’t have to work! 🙄 ffs

I think many elderly people have a restricted view of the world. They dont do much and they dont leave the house a lot. They are able to see that you are visiting them. They are not able to see that you have children, work, other responsibilites etc

Surely the reverse is true - the older person remembers what it was like to work 40 hours a week before retirement, so they would have more insight and understanding into the other perspective than the younger person who hasn’t yet experienced the change?