to think some retired people completely forget what it’s like to be working full time?

Would you have MN clearly visible on your screen if you were working on an office with others around? Would your boss agree to you posting during work hours?

I doubt it, they're just the ones you're hearing. There will be people on this forum who read your post and thought you could cook from scratch if you organised yourself better. Not me, I hasten to add.

It's younger people judging me for exactly the same behaviour. I'm sick of being told all ready meals are bad for you on food discussions.

Who says we are under 40 on here? I am 42

Its true that old age probably causes people to be more grumpy.

I don't have children or nieces or nephews. If i did have, i would try to think of their lives and not be selfish and think that i want them running round after me.

I always planned to pay for a carer in my old age. If i become too helpless, i will pay for euthanasia.

Well said.

Plus many of these elderly women are actually caring for others. Sometimes it's grandchildren; very often they're caring for those who are even older than them or simply not as fit as them.

I'll add that when my dad retired from coalmining, he helped my mother with the care for my grandfather and great uncle.

In my case, my dad died when I was 51; Mum died when I was 55. By then, I was also caring for my husband.

Now I'm a 66 yr old widow with some medical issues caused by moving and handling others.

When I was still working, I caused an uncomfortable silence in the staffroom one day by pointing out that my early work pension contributions were disregarded for dependents, purely because I was born with ovaries instead of testicles.

Anyway, guess I'll get back to being a burden for the rest of the day.

Why am I not surprised it's an older person bashing thread.

Am I the only one who gets pissed off at the sheer entitlement of people under 40. I honestly wonder if they know what hard work is.

I’m afraid none of us knows how things will pan out when we’re old. You may have all the nice, neat plans in the world for your dotage, as do I, but the truth is, old age is likely to be the biggest burden to those experiencing it, and your currently sunny disposition may well be clouded by pain, illness, immobility, memory loss and all those other delights of ageing which may await us all.

You wrote "lots of men" and yet I have seen many, many threads started by women on mumsnet, complaining that they have to do the majority of elderly care.

To be fair, the expectation that it is younger female relatives that will do the caring is not universal. Lots of men step up to the plate to help care for elderly relatives - my brother and my husband and his brothers included. They often provide a different type of care than women would (eg doing heavy rather than intimate stuff) but they are absolutely there, providing care.

Oh look another pensioner bashing thread. What do you think these people have done for 40 or so years? With far less help than nowadays.
No 12 months maternity leave, no free nursery spaces, no universal credit top ups. No, if your money didnt stretch you had to take on a second job or cut down on anything unnecessary.
And best of all no Internet forums telling the aged population that they are selfish and lazy 🤯

At one point, I was working full time and caring for three adults. Now I'm retired and on my own.

I've had this conversation with other retirees - it seems so much harder to cope with doing everything now. Possibly it's old age; possibly it's the 'If you want something done, ask a busy person' syndrome.

Like many folk, I seem to be in perfect health. The mobility challenges that come as you get older are a bugger, however. I'm trying to deal with those by taking appropriate exercise.

I did fit in exercise when I was younger, but when I hit 42, the combination of work and caring duties meant it simply wasn't possible.

I can tell you, however, that exercise in my early 40s was much easier than exercise in my mid 60s.

I also find that leaving the house is much more of a trial these days - but maybe that's just me.

My retired mum told me 'it's alright for some' because I had an afternoon nap on Saturday.

I got up at 7am, cleaned the kitchen, did all the washing, went to the pool & swam a mile beforehand. I work full time Mon-Fri, have several auto-immune disorders and run around after 2 kids!

That doesn’t make elderly people a burden. That makes a sexist society a burden. And those elderly women? Some of them fought hard for it to be less sexist - when they were young they couldn’t get a mortgage without a man to counter sign, they didn’t get equal pay and educational opportunities were less available (that’s in my memory and I’m only 61). Wonder how those things changed?

It's not just retired people. It all depends on what you're used to. I have literally no breaks between 8:30am and 7:00pm. I run the business and it's my choice. But I have to wait for a client call/meeting to maybe finish early in order to use the toilet or grab a cup of tea (I WFH). If I have a few personal calls to make e.g. dentist, fridge repair man, that kind of thing, I need to wait for a meeting to possibly finish early in order to make them. Going to the post office, hygienist, or chemist must wait until the weekend. Just like many people who work FT in an office or other site.

I have friends who work PT who meet for coffee or go get their nails done, who tell me how busy they are.

I've stopped telling them how they may think they are flat out, but they aren't...

I thought the point of being retired was to forget what it was like to work full time.

Nobody should be judging you for being busy or tired. Conversely, everyone is allowed to feel busy or tired. Those feelings are not mutually exclusive to working full-time and/or having children.

I understand completely. You are running your life (or your life is running you) to the best of your ability. When people work FT and/or look after someone who needs a certain/lot of care they do not have time for chit chat/judgement of others/leisure activities etc.

We have a plaque in our hall "Warning! Retired person on the premises knows everything and has plenty of time to tell it." Hopefully this sums up your point.

Oh get lost.

When I am elderly I will pay for a carer.

I won't expect any of my younger female relatives to look after me.

Why? Because i am not a selfish, cruel asshole

'A burden' eh? How unspeakably rude you are. Just wait until you are 'elderly' - I think you will find that your mindset will change. By the way, it's your choice to produce children, so you look after them, and stop complaining that you are so busy and 'elderly' people don't understand.

oh yeah, my mum is like this.....the same woman who didn't work from finishing for maternity leave with me until I was well into my teens and then she did only did mornings in a primary school for a few years! My dad rarely travelled for work and somehow managed to be home to eat dinner at 5:30 every night. She rings me and sounds shocked that I'm still cooking at 7pm!