AIBU to think that females, however they identify, should never be admitted to male mental health wards?

This is disgraceful.
This woman was very mentally ill and doesn't have capacity to decide she prefers a mens ward. She is not able to understand the implications of that decision. She did not want to be raped and hadn't forseen it. It's staffs job to protect her by taking that decision away from her. Wards need to be by birth sex.
And there are no side rooms. People are accommodated hundreds of miles from their homes because of lack of space and side rooms for trans people are not a priority.
This whole case is a complete dereliction of duty from professionals who should be on trial along with the actual rapist. (Not the poor sod the NHS implicated although they new him to be innocent)

The article says she was on the women’s ward and was transferred to the men’s. I assume on request(?). The staff would be fearful of disciplinary or losing their job even if they had doubts about this. The policies affirmation only self ID.

to those saying separate rooms etc, while thats a nice idea usually separate rooms are kept for people who are dying (and sometimes they don’t have space for that)

But they are such a small percentage of the population, we’d build all these extra wards just for them to be empty half the time. And are we doing separate wards for FTMs and MTFs?

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If someone uses the word 'cis', or ever chants the mantra TWAW, TMAM or NBAV in earnest, it should immediately veto them from having anything to do with safeguarding.

I have never seen anything corrupt logic, thought or reason like gender identity ideology does before.

The victim in the OP's link should never, ever have been put in that situation. The cover up is horrific and the people involved should be investigated and held to account.

I hope this case starts the process of gutting gender ideology from NHS policy and from safeguarding in general.

Some NHS trusts have had policies ensuring that male trans sex offenders could be placed on women's wards. Imagine working in the NHS and knowing that you're working alongside colleagues enabling sex offenders to access unconsenting, unwell women. It defies belief.

Times report from 2021:

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/healthcare/article/trans-sex-offenders-can-go-on-womens-wards-hospitals-advise-0fmbhm3bn

archive link:
https://archive.ph/6PUIm

They put a female on a ward with mentally ill males... a female who has less than 50% of the upper body strength a man they put on a male ward....

What the ACTUAL fuck....

So many people need to lose their job start with the person who wrote the equity policy putting Gender Identity above sex.

I agree with most of your post, aside from saying it’s just “a bit unfair” to put transwomen in with women. It’s just as dangerous as the reverse, but for the women in this case.

Your post does read as though the huge public debate about all of this over the past few years has totally passed you by.

I do think trans people should either have their own separate space, or most likely the use of side wards as there may not be enough trans people to justify whole separate wards. Especially as trans men and trans women would need to be on separate wards from each other.

But I think there’s an argument for everyone to just be on side wards/ their own rooms!

Just to point out that the photo the Times has used is Kings College Hospital Foundation across the road from the Maudsley, , KCH and the Maudsley are not part of the same Trust. Lazy work, The Times!

However this case is disgraceful, and whatever the rights , wrongs and considerations around the safety of Trans patients, the cover up was scandalous, abd IMO shows how gender ideology is seeping into medical ethics. How can we trust these people?

If the ward is for men then, by law, it must be only for men and that is defined by biology. The FWS vs Scottish Ministers in the Supreme Court clarified that in April 2025. The same for women.

Men attacking anyone needs to be sorted but not by infringing women's rights.

Unless things have changed massively in the last few years, our local, very large geographically mental health trust did t have male and female wards. Single rooms but mixed

Since trans people are such a tiny portion of the world, it makes sense to put them in separate side rooms to keep everyone safe. I don’t know what the solution would be in prisons which are overstretched as it is so I’d love to say they could have a separate cell but…

Yes, exactly.

a woman had a baby while in a COMA in a care setting. So it's not just even the patients you have to worry about, it's the staff too 😢

Only a very small number of trans identifying men bother with the procedure to invert their penis, harvest tissue from their anus and create an artificial hole in their body (which is what they mean by ‘vagina’ here).

When you adopt a policy of putting trans identifying men into women’s mental health spaces, you’re dropping ‘intact’ males in with the very vulnerable female patients. ‘Transwomen’ offend at the same rates as the wider male population.

Nothing magically happens to male levels of aggression and offending when you throw wrong-sex hormones into the mix.

The whole thing is appalling. Even if the woman in question had wanted to be on the male ward she should have been saved from her delusions by the system. The NHS needs to get a fucking grip. And anyone obstructing the justice system should be dealt with properly.

Lucky you. The woman who was raped by a transwoman on a NHS ward (and the NHS tried to cover that one up too), wasn't so lucky.

It does have to be about the bodies people were born with, not whether they’ve had alterations since.

Many other women would not find it "fine", however and placing men - HOWEVER they see themselves - in wards designated for women is against the law.

A friend of mine was sectioned, a long time ago now. Her mental illness made her absolutely terrified of men.

There was a trans identifying man / transwoman locked up with her, & the staff insisted that he was a woman. That should never, ever have happened.

Maloney is being very careful to say that ‘anyone with a vagina’ shouldn’t be in with men so I take that to mean he’s saying transwomen who have had genital surgery should get to be with the actual women. No. They shouldn’t. Just like this woman should never have been put with the actual men.

I dont know the solution.
Nhs doesnt have money for side rooms and seperate trans wards.
Half joking perhaps we need to id by body parts - if you have a penis you go there, a vagina you go there
Its always women (women at birth) who are the most venerable whether they stay a women or become a trans man.

When I was sectioned, twice I’ve had trans women on my ward.
(so opposite way round from your article I think). I found it fine.

I expect that if we have male and female trans wards then they'll be moaning it's "outing them". When we can see with our eyes what sex they are.

Hospital wards should be single sex only. (As should prisons, sport etc).