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BiteSizedLife · 19/05/2026 19:22

Many workers cannot afford to save the ideal anount or indeed any amount into their pension.

End of thread really.

Unless you'd like to blame workers for the CoL crisis?

No one is that stupid surely....

There is a problem OP but it isnt the fault of the people you seem to think it is...

Allrightonthenight1 · 19/05/2026 19:22

NotTheOrdinary · 19/05/2026 17:28

It's not always the case of not bothering to save. Some people can't afford to save.

Or there's no incentive as the state will provide.

Whysnothingsimple · 19/05/2026 19:22

FernFaery · 19/05/2026 19:09

Not easy but equally we encourage migrants who move continents for work and praise their pragmatism, but when it comes to white Brits we’re somehow better than that?

Maybe we shouldn’t be praising them and instead train up our own citizens for those jobs

Bollixtothat · 19/05/2026 19:21

Kirbert2 · 19/05/2026 19:04

Because shared housing isn't appropriate for everyone
Because circumstances change
Because moving areas if you were born in an expensive area again costs money

etc

Well that’s just tough isn’t it! Lots of people have to do lots of things they don’t want to do.

BoredZelda · 19/05/2026 19:20

OneShyQuail · 19/05/2026 19:03

It might be the best thing you can do for your child, but when they need to learn to drive to be able to get a job, so you save for their driving lessons, then the car, then comes the car insurance which even a working teenager would struggle to pay on their own.....then the money saved to help towards a house deposit.....most people struggle to do this for their children let alone pay into a pension for when they are 60+!

There's no way a pension should take priority over driving and getting on the housing ladder....

If you are only looking at saving for driving lessons and insurance when they turn 18, you’re already too late. But yes, I would put starting a pension, even to stick £20 a month in to as a priority. I’d have them wait a bit longer to build up a house deposit, because as I said it is about seeing a pension as a priority. The whataboutery that people use to suggest it is impossible is exactly why we have 45% of people who haven’t got a pension.

XenoBitch · 19/05/2026 19:20

Whysnothingsimple · 19/05/2026 19:19

Many people are self employed because they really struggle with the rigidity of employment. If we are going down that route employers need to be a lot more flexible.

Yep, countless posts on here telling people to go self employed if they struggle with work, or to find work.

Whysnothingsimple · 19/05/2026 19:19

ToffeeCrabApple · 19/05/2026 19:14

This. Too many people continue in self employment when its not earning them enough.

Many people are self employed because they really struggle with the rigidity of employment. If we are going down that route employers need to be a lot more flexible.

FateAmenableToChange · 19/05/2026 19:18

We need to take all the money back from the thieving billionaires. There is no other solutions. We be many, they be few.

NorthXNorthWest · 19/05/2026 19:17

SomedayIllBeSaturdayNight · 19/05/2026 17:46

How? If you have enough in a private pension you don't need a state one.

Unlike an unfunded civil service pension a private pension can fall dramatically. It can also run out of money unlike an unfunded state pension. Most people also do not have final salary pension.

ParmaVioletTea · 19/05/2026 19:16

According to the ONS, despite the cost of living, travel remains a priority for people with less than 20% of people opting to have a cheaper U.K. holiday or going without. Annually, as a nation we spend £78.6 billion on overseas travel annually. We spend £63.75 billion on takeaway food. £27.4 billion on alcohol to drink at home and £24 billion in pubs. We spent £14 billion in pensions. We spend 12 times as much on holidays, drink and takeaway food than we do on pensions.

@BoredZelda those stats are frightening. I wonder what the Venn diagrams are for those holiday makers, take away eaters and pub drinkers and no / small pension contributions, assuming the State pension will look after them?

Or is it the “haves” as identified upthread? more likely?

it’d be really interesting to see how all those figures map across income and spending priorities.

Whysnothingsimple · 19/05/2026 19:16

SomedayIllBeSaturdayNight · 19/05/2026 17:24

The report I heard said that this is not sufficient, and we should be saving at least 10% of our income monthly.

Which is all well and good, but when people who are working are choosing between heating and eating putting 10% of their income aside is just not going to happen -that would mean they could neither heat not eat.

Kirbert2 · 19/05/2026 19:16

FernFaery · 19/05/2026 19:09

Not easy but equally we encourage migrants who move continents for work and praise their pragmatism, but when it comes to white Brits we’re somehow better than that?

The point is even if I somehow managed to do it, I would still get UC and it would be expensive to move.

Not an option in my case anyway for several reasons, finances is just one of them.

CelestialGazer · 19/05/2026 19:15

Backedoffhackedoff · 19/05/2026 17:28

Does this change anything though? Is it a worsening trend?
Plenty of people have never had private pensions, they weren’t even available until relatively recently. None of my parents (early retirement age) , in laws or close family friends have private pensions, with the exception of ex teachers and police officers.

the triple lock is completely unsustainable though

Private pensions have been available back as far as the 1970s. They were snappily called S226A pensions then (the predecessor to Personal Pensions), and anyone not in a workplace pension could have one.

(I know because my employer was a life and pension company which offered them as part of its product range.)

ToffeeCrabApple · 19/05/2026 19:14

FernFaery · 19/05/2026 17:27

So you can’t afford to be self employed? Should you be looking for a job with a workplace pension?

This. Too many people continue in self employment when its not earning them enough.

pragmatismuniversalsentimentalist · 19/05/2026 19:14

frozendaisy · 19/05/2026 18:00

State pension is deducted from public pensions. Well not deducted, sort of included in their pension amount.

Not any more it isn't - the 'opt out' system was got rid of a few years ago.

XenoBitch · 19/05/2026 19:14

FernFaery · 19/05/2026 19:06

It would be suitable for single persons, and couples. I’ve seen several such ads over the last few weeks, I would absolutely apply if I was a single person or one half of a couple looking to save. You seem to find it mildly hilarious?

Did you miss the bit where I said someone considered it a serious suggestion for someone with children?

Martha23 · 19/05/2026 19:13

I work and currently can’t afford to pay into my pension. My workplace pension is incredibly generous and I hope to pay into it again but with a young family and rising debts/col, it is simply not a priority.

HowdoyoureallyKnow · 19/05/2026 19:10

@BoredZelda you don't need to wait till 18 children can have one my 13 year old has had one for several years ( sipp) self invested personal pension .

IncyTwiny · 19/05/2026 19:10

Apprentice26 · 19/05/2026 17:45

Why do they get to retire? They have to keep working. It’s that simple.
In whatever capacity they can manage, topped up by universal credits if necessary but they need to be subjected to the same conditions as single mums are back to work after 12 months of giving birth

So. No one gets a state pension right? But if you can’t work due to disability you just get a different type of benefit - universal credit? But it will most likely top you up to the same amount? It’s kind of like when the government say if you don’t work and pay NI you won’t get your state pension! But then just top people up with pension credit to the same amount. So currently those people who rely solely on state worked and paid NI get that state pension. Those who never worked in their life get pension credit to the same amount but with extra benefits like council tax help.

Honestly I work with the public. Despite what mumsnet apparently sees all the time, I don’t think many 70+ year olds will be able to do full time work. Very few will even manage part time.

hahabahbag · 19/05/2026 19:10

I have a workplace scheme, statutory minimum, minimum wage … it’s barely worth having

FernFaery · 19/05/2026 19:09

NotTheOrdinary · 19/05/2026 19:09

Now that is funny,

With kids, yes. But without?

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FernFaery · 19/05/2026 19:09

Kirbert2 · 19/05/2026 19:08

Oh dear.

Nothing surprises me on threads like this any more. I remember one months ago where someone suggested that if she was me, she'd simply move to a cheaper area into a smaller house and then I magically wouldn't need UC.

So easy. 😂

Not easy but equally we encourage migrants who move continents for work and praise their pragmatism, but when it comes to white Brits we’re somehow better than that?

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NotTheOrdinary · 19/05/2026 19:09

XenoBitch · 19/05/2026 19:05

Oh, you missed the thread we had the other night.
Someone suggested finding work that provides accommodation too, such as some hotel work or on a farm. They seemed to think it was a suitable suggestion even if you had had 3 kids in tow too. Or sofa surfing... with kids.

Now that is funny,

Kirbert2 · 19/05/2026 19:08

XenoBitch · 19/05/2026 19:05

Oh, you missed the thread we had the other night.
Someone suggested finding work that provides accommodation too, such as some hotel work or on a farm. They seemed to think it was a suitable suggestion even if you had had 3 kids in tow too. Or sofa surfing... with kids.

Oh dear.

Nothing surprises me on threads like this any more. I remember one months ago where someone suggested that if she was me, she'd simply move to a cheaper area into a smaller house and then I magically wouldn't need UC.

So easy. 😂

FernFaery · 19/05/2026 19:08

Bollixtothat · 19/05/2026 19:04

Goodness I would hope not. Uc should not be available for someone to pay rent on an property to live in alone when they could share with others. I think there are already age restrictions on this in place.

UC is desperately needed by people working FT on the NMW and I wouldn’t want it taken away from them. I’m desperate for work not to be deincentivised more than it already has. I couldn’t care less about somebody working full time delivering parcels or in a warehouse who gets an additional £400 a month or whatever.

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