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AIBU to feel uncomfortable about my MIL's behaviour around food?

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illtellyouwhat · 19/05/2026 13:06

Sorry, this ended up being quite a long post.

I don’t know what advice I am looking for and simply wanted to share this with other people to see if anybody else has ever experienced anything like this?

MIL, who is past retirement age, has a not so healthy relationship with weight and food. There are reasons I say this which I won’t go into, but let’s just say it is off topic for this thread.

I put on weight recently, but my BMI is in the green, right in the middle. This comes after years of being underweight, at times dangerously so, and struggling to put weight on, for reasons that are also off topic here.

MIL is now constantly asking me how the weight loss is going, measuring me up with her eyes, essentially fat-checking me… she does try to be discrete about this but I’ve seen it happen. She will ask whether I have managed to lose any weight since the last time she saw me. She then confirms “but the weight is going down right?”

She herself is not underweight for her age but is on the thin side.

In her fridge and cupboard, she keeps lots of out of date, expired food. Often mouldy. She will tell anybody who listens how she doesn’t gain weight and how proud she is of it, then going into details about how she manages to do that. For example, if she has eaten a lot one day she will try to not to eat very much for several days thereafter.

Unless she eats out, she’d does not eat “real” food, instead snacking on things like tomatoes or biscuits or nuts, or if she decides to have a meal, it will be something like canned soup. My understanding is she doesn’t really know how to cook, but that isn’t something you can judge her for because not everybody does.

She will often go out of her way to make sure her son (my husband) gets food when we are there, but will essentially do the opposite with me. This used to happen even when I was very thin. If we would go out for a meal she would order something “healthy” then try to eat my food and actually verbalise that she won’t take any from her son’s plate because he needs it. She would encourage her son to get the most expensive and substantial option on a menu, and although it has never explicitly been said I always feel that I am supposed to pick something cheap, sometimes based on suggestions she makes but mostly it’s based on experience from eating out with her and the sort of obvious conclusion you can draw from the behaviour when I do get something that isn’t the very cheapest option (she tries to eat my food). Of course it is possible this is all in my head but I am fairly sure it is not.

I feel like there’s an aspect to this which comes from a need to hoard food because food costs money. Or making sure you get your money’s worth (since she paid for the meal). So her son eating is getting your moneys worth, me eating is not. This behaviour extends to other situations but again it’s a bit off topic.

She does offer me what is in her cupboard and fridge but as I say it’s all expired and mouldy. In the same breath she will talk about how to ensure you don’t get hungry by snacking on small amounts of food like sweets and nuts.

On our most recent visit she made her son some food (tinned soup). She did not offer me the same. She then told me to join her while she ran some errands, in what felt like an attempt to distract me from eating. At this point it was late afternoon and I had not had anything to eat all day. She later offered me tomatoes and crackers.

I don’t think I will ever try to “set a boundary” because to some degree it is a lost cause and I don’t want to make her cross, I mostly try to eat before and after seeing her, but sometimes there isn’t time to do that.

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BingoJingo · 21/05/2026 14:27

I am finding this a very interesting topic and I hope you truly find a way to navigate this awful relationship. I do agree that the only way this will happen is if you and your husband are aligned on the key, underlying nature of her dysfunctional behaviour and how he has become conditioned to accept this.

This leads me onto something you mentioned before, that you were almost told that they 'accepted you' easily. Do you think that they registered you as being compliant, demure and malleable from the outset? This is not meant in a derogatory way but its akin to a predator knowing what is and isn't suitable 'prey'. This is what abusers do, they are adept at seeking out appropriate prey.

Please do not allow yourself to be treated in this way, you are undermining the fabric of your soul and your identity. I really hope you take on board the advice given to you in this thread. Do not worry or give any headspace to the 40 people who voted differently. Who cares what other dysfunctional people think?

Take care of yourself.

illtellyouwhat · 21/05/2026 14:18

ToSayYouHaveNoChoiceIsAFailureOfImagination · 21/05/2026 14:07

See this is you being crazy again (or non of this is real and you're just trying to keep the thread going for the kicks)
Why do you want to understand it from your MILs point of view? She's very unwell. None of this is normal. I though we'd established that. Stop sliding backwards. You can't reason with her batshit in her or your dh. Anyone on here who agrees with her is an abuser. Why do you want an abuser's opinion?

Why do you want to frame anything to anyone? You don't have to approach this with understanding and insight. Stop trying to make everyone else feel comfortable. Would it help you to think of your MILs abusive behaviour towards her children/grandchildren in a hyperbolic way? She harming them through food. What if she hit them instead and your DH thought that was fine because " corporal punishment is how kids learn to behave". Would you want to understand that point of view too, so you could frame your objections? Or would you just say " dh we're not having children until you promise me we're not going to hit them and neither is your mother"

I wish none of this were real and am truly sad I don't have a MIL that cooks and bakes and all the rest of it. I don't feel I can rely on her because I feel like she always has some kind of angle she's working (related to the control issues she has).

As someone else said disparagingly, even though it's true, I analyse a lot, so I am just looking for more information so I can make better decisions, and also to preempt what sort of arguments I might be up against so I can prepare an answer for them in advance.

I mean based on comments in this thread clearly this is related to not wanting to cause friction and upset people but you are of course right (and i'm not saying that just to be agreeable...) and I need to stop trying to make people like me.

I just fear the isolation.

But I take your point about how this would be non-negotiable if we were talking about corporal punishment.

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ToSayYouHaveNoChoiceIsAFailureOfImagination · 21/05/2026 14:17

illtellyouwhat · 21/05/2026 14:07

Lots to unpack in that question... and I agree about the therapy. I think I find it tiring to have to explain and justify my decisions, which are not always right to be fair, to other people because it's emotionally exhausting. So it's easier to avoid it. And to some degree easier to not really deal with people at all, which I suppose is why I don't have a support network for this type of stuff and why I ended up asking about this here, instead of with friends.

I can choose to stop looking at this thread but if I talk about this with people IRL then they'll bring it up again in the future (holding me accountable). Which I find stressful.

I had a subpar experience with therapy a couple of year ago (the therapist was not right for me personally) and actually had to go into debt to do those sessions. Since I'm out of work currently I can't really afford it. Don't want to take us off topic again but since he isn't too keen on having therapy, it's hard to justify the spend. He also thinks I'm his therapist, even though I've said many times that is not my role and I am not qualified to be your therapist.

You said "she is the reason why he needs therapy" and actually he knows from previous therapy he himself had.

Sorry, not trying to come up with excuses. But I have taken onboard the need for therapy and I will see how I can make that happen.

But I have taken onboard the need for therapy and I will see how I can make that happen.
Ask your parents to help you finance it. They love you and want the best for you. If you were my daughter and intent on staying married to this man I would eat beans on toast everyday, sell all my possessions, I would find the money to get you the help you need to keep you safe and any future grandkids safe too. Find someone accredited by the BPC or UKCP. Google their websites and use their find a therapist tool. Stay away from BACP (they accredit all sorts of nonsense trainings)

illtellyouwhat · 21/05/2026 14:07

ToSayYouHaveNoChoiceIsAFailureOfImagination · 21/05/2026 12:39

There's a theme in both the conversation with your parents and the conversation with your husband... You put their feelings ahead of your own. To your own disadvantage. I asked you once before and I'll ask you again. Why do you think that you don't matter?

I'm very happy that you had a more honest conversation with your parents, even though you used humour to minimise the abusive behaviour. Whatever you choose to do now going forwards, you'll be able to talk more honestly and openly with your parents and have their support

You've made a start with your DH. But if you think that you alone are able to undo the years of abuse done to him, you're mistaken. He needs therapy. You need therapy. Both separately. You both have your own issues that are individual to you. That is what should happen next. Do not have children until you have both had therapy. Tell him that you are on to completely different planets about raising children. And you are not willing to have children with him until you can agree on how you will keep them safe. Tell him your mind will not be changed on the point that they will not be spending time alone with his mother, because she is a harmful person to children and she is the reason why he needs therapy. Be direct. Do not minimise. Be calm. Don't get drawn into an arguement. This is not a debate. These are your boundaries.

Lots to unpack in that question... and I agree about the therapy. I think I find it tiring to have to explain and justify my decisions, which are not always right to be fair, to other people because it's emotionally exhausting. So it's easier to avoid it. And to some degree easier to not really deal with people at all, which I suppose is why I don't have a support network for this type of stuff and why I ended up asking about this here, instead of with friends.

I can choose to stop looking at this thread but if I talk about this with people IRL then they'll bring it up again in the future (holding me accountable). Which I find stressful.

I had a subpar experience with therapy a couple of year ago (the therapist was not right for me personally) and actually had to go into debt to do those sessions. Since I'm out of work currently I can't really afford it. Don't want to take us off topic again but since he isn't too keen on having therapy, it's hard to justify the spend. He also thinks I'm his therapist, even though I've said many times that is not my role and I am not qualified to be your therapist.

You said "she is the reason why he needs therapy" and actually he knows from previous therapy he himself had.

Sorry, not trying to come up with excuses. But I have taken onboard the need for therapy and I will see how I can make that happen.

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ToSayYouHaveNoChoiceIsAFailureOfImagination · 21/05/2026 14:07

illtellyouwhat · 21/05/2026 13:47

Based on current poll numbers, there are roughly 40 people who think I'm being unreasonable.

If we assume some people have voted that way with the logic of "you're being unreasonable because you're allowing this" - which is a fair point and it did make me laugh to read that when someone said that here - it still leaves a fair number of people who we haven't heard from.

I do really appreciate all the responses so far and I would be really interested to hear from someone who genuinely thinks I'm being unreasonable. Why do you think that? Do your recognise yourself in MILs behaviour? Insight into this thinking might help with how to frame things with DH and/or MIL.

Edited

See this is you being crazy again (or non of this is real and you're just trying to keep the thread going for the kicks)
Why do you want to understand it from your MILs point of view? She's very unwell. None of this is normal. I though we'd established that. Stop sliding backwards. You can't reason with her batshit in her or your dh. Anyone on here who agrees with her is an abuser. Why do you want an abuser's opinion?

Why do you want to frame anything to anyone? You don't have to approach this with understanding and insight. Stop trying to make everyone else feel comfortable. Would it help you to think of your MILs abusive behaviour towards her children/grandchildren in a hyperbolic way? She harming them through food. What if she hit them instead and your DH thought that was fine because " corporal punishment is how kids learn to behave". Would you want to understand that point of view too, so you could frame your objections? Or would you just say " dh we're not having children until you promise me we're not going to hit them and neither is your mother"

CruCru · 21/05/2026 14:01

I will also say that this sort of attitude to food - that there is food that is "naughty" and that women should be on a diet - is now very aging. Young women have their issues (God knows) but they tend to be too polite to sit chuntering on about how a slice of cake looks "too rich".

CruCru · 21/05/2026 13:59

Honestly? I've read through your posts and they have gone to a darker place than the OP suggested.

My initial advice is to pretend to be an English speaking German or Dutch person. Be entirely unemotional and matter of fact. Don't make a joke out of it. Say that the food is mouldy and out of date. You are going to eat your dinner in the restaurant and you are not planning to share it. Your body is fine, there is no need to comment on it.

BUT I'm now going to suggest that you consider leaving him. Having peculiar in laws will make your life so much harder. You don't have children and you are still young. You are not trapped.

illtellyouwhat · 21/05/2026 13:47

Based on current poll numbers, there are roughly 40 people who think I'm being unreasonable.

If we assume some people have voted that way with the logic of "you're being unreasonable because you're allowing this" - which is a fair point and it did make me laugh to read that when someone said that here - it still leaves a fair number of people who we haven't heard from.

I do really appreciate all the responses so far and I would be really interested to hear from someone who genuinely thinks I'm being unreasonable. Why do you think that? Do your recognise yourself in MILs behaviour? Insight into this thinking might help with how to frame things with DH and/or MIL.

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godmum56 · 21/05/2026 13:28

ToSayYouHaveNoChoiceIsAFailureOfImagination · 21/05/2026 12:58

His brain disconnects logic/knowledge from the emotional feeling of what is "right" and "true". And what is "right"and "true" has been fed to him alongside the mouldy food all his life.
If his mother had told him the sky was purple, he'd argue that as a fact. You can't educate this out of him. There are no magic words that you can say to get him to be normal. If you follow that path, you're going to end up arguing and resenting each other. There will be years of unhappiness followed by divorce. You can't change how he thinks. If you want a future with him he needs professional help. I already think you need professional help too. But if you don't feel like you have the strength to assert yourself on this, then pause all these conversations with him for now, pause having kids. Have a year of therapy yourself and come back to this point then

This. Honestly I'd be honest with him too and be up front that you will not be having children with him until these issues are sorted and by that I do not mean your giving way. Honestly the only person who can change him is him and to me it doesn't sound like he is up for it right now. I agree with the suggestion that you should think about therapy for yourself

ToSayYouHaveNoChoiceIsAFailureOfImagination · 21/05/2026 12:58

ToSayYouHaveNoChoiceIsAFailureOfImagination · 21/05/2026 12:44

A logical approach isn't going to work on your DH. He doesn't need education. He's he's been through school. He's done biology. He knows what healthy eating is on paper. He will see other people in the world either in real life or on TV and film treating food in a normal way. He knows logically what is normal.

His problem is he has no idea emotionally what is normal. He needs help emotionally. He's a victim of childhood abuse himself.

His brain disconnects logic/knowledge from the emotional feeling of what is "right" and "true". And what is "right"and "true" has been fed to him alongside the mouldy food all his life.
If his mother had told him the sky was purple, he'd argue that as a fact. You can't educate this out of him. There are no magic words that you can say to get him to be normal. If you follow that path, you're going to end up arguing and resenting each other. There will be years of unhappiness followed by divorce. You can't change how he thinks. If you want a future with him he needs professional help. I already think you need professional help too. But if you don't feel like you have the strength to assert yourself on this, then pause all these conversations with him for now, pause having kids. Have a year of therapy yourself and come back to this point then

HellyR · 21/05/2026 12:49

I pointed out that his mother told me she has recently been teaching her one of her grandchildren, who is pre-school age, methods for ensuring you can keep hunger at bay (spoiler: the answer is NOT eat a meal) he said well thats what you teach kids so they don't get fat.

WOW

This is absolutely awful.
No kid of mine would be hearing that. I have friends with primary-school age daughters who are already upset about the prospect of being called fat. Itxs insidious and should absolutely be a red line.

Your DH as well sounds like he'd be a crap parent. He seems oblivious and unable to see what's important.

ToSayYouHaveNoChoiceIsAFailureOfImagination · 21/05/2026 12:44

illtellyouwhat · 21/05/2026 12:37

This is a very good idea!

Your post also made me look up the exact idiom she has been teaching her GD (since apparently this is what you should teach children so they learn how to manage food).

The phrase she was going on about was learning how to keep the wolf at the door: "to earn just enough money to buy food and survive, narrowly avoiding extreme poverty or starvation".

A logical approach isn't going to work on your DH. He doesn't need education. He's he's been through school. He's done biology. He knows what healthy eating is on paper. He will see other people in the world either in real life or on TV and film treating food in a normal way. He knows logically what is normal.

His problem is he has no idea emotionally what is normal. He needs help emotionally. He's a victim of childhood abuse himself.

ToSayYouHaveNoChoiceIsAFailureOfImagination · 21/05/2026 12:39

There's a theme in both the conversation with your parents and the conversation with your husband... You put their feelings ahead of your own. To your own disadvantage. I asked you once before and I'll ask you again. Why do you think that you don't matter?

I'm very happy that you had a more honest conversation with your parents, even though you used humour to minimise the abusive behaviour. Whatever you choose to do now going forwards, you'll be able to talk more honestly and openly with your parents and have their support

You've made a start with your DH. But if you think that you alone are able to undo the years of abuse done to him, you're mistaken. He needs therapy. You need therapy. Both separately. You both have your own issues that are individual to you. That is what should happen next. Do not have children until you have both had therapy. Tell him that you are on to completely different planets about raising children. And you are not willing to have children with him until you can agree on how you will keep them safe. Tell him your mind will not be changed on the point that they will not be spending time alone with his mother, because she is a harmful person to children and she is the reason why he needs therapy. Be direct. Do not minimise. Be calm. Don't get drawn into an arguement. This is not a debate. These are your boundaries.

illtellyouwhat · 21/05/2026 12:37

ButterYellowFlowers · 21/05/2026 12:30

Would getting a book about childhood nutrition and reading out ‘interesting’ (relevant) excerpts perhaps slowly show him that his mother is not correct about what is healthy or normal? She isn’t a dietitian I assume.

This is a very good idea!

Your post also made me look up the exact idiom she has been teaching her GD (since apparently this is what you should teach children so they learn how to manage food).

The phrase she was going on about was learning how to keep the wolf at the door: "to earn just enough money to buy food and survive, narrowly avoiding extreme poverty or starvation".

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Woodfiresareamazing2 · 21/05/2026 12:36

illtellyouwhat · 21/05/2026 12:09

Thank you for this specifically @NotTheMrMenAgain

And thank you to all of you for your messages and input. As a result of this thread I have done two things. I've spoken to DH and to my parents.

@CraftyYankee mentioned the point about "your family isn't here and so you don't have a support network." and this is very true and has been a challenge the entire time I've lived in the UK. Sometimes it has made things easier, but a lot of times it makes things harder.

@NotTheMrMenAgain you say you would be fuming if you knew this had happened to your DD and I can understand that. I think this is why I don't always tell my parents about some of the bad things that happen/have happened in my life because I love them very much and I know they love me, so I don't want to protect them from the knowledge of something that I know would hurt them.

Told my parents some of these stories last night, but I had to do it in a very humorous way to not hurt them, and I could see that it particularly hurt my father to hear that I had been going hungry all day. They bough laughed about the absurdity of some of the stories and especially of her eating my/other people's food, and were of course appalled to know she keeps mouldy and out of date food in her fridge. They suggested similar things to what everyone has suggested here, which is to just tell her I'm going to go and get myself some food, or I will not be eating that thank you very much. Underlining that I should not be going hungry.

I said earlier in this thread in response to @BuckChuckets that I would find some way of weaving this into a planning session about future kids. Well I sort of did this... but instead of discretely weaving into a structured conversation I just brought the subject up, and asked why do you think she didn't offer me any food? He said I really don't know. He also said since he had was focused on his work call he didn't realise exactly what was going on which I do think is fair in this particular instance. I also have some faith that I may be able to steer him towards being a bit more aware of this in the future, and to speak up if and when he notices that it is happening.

However, where this gets sticky is when I asked whether he would be happy leaving future kids with her, he got very, very upset and said of course he would "she is my MUM!!!" (he said this a number of times) and then talked about how his nieces and nephews have been left with her when they were children and how they are absolutely fine. I asked him well if we had a daughter would you be okay with your mum asking her about her weight and things like that and he said of course not. Very confusing!!

He then also did a fair bit of mental gymnastics to effectively claim his mother makes the same elaborate meals he does (she really doesn't). This is a bit like comparing boiled pasta with a side of cheese to a lasagna. I don't want to get dragged into whether or not children should be fed boiled pasta with bits of cheese, because it's besides the point. What he did was go into denial.

I won't bore you with the details of the entire conversation but when I pointed out that his mother told me she has recently been teaching her one of her grandchildren, who is pre-school age, methods for ensuring you can keep hunger at bay (spoiler: the answer is NOT eat a meal) he said well thats what you teach kids so they don't get fat. And then he said when he got fat when he was in his teens it was an upsetting experience for him.

So I think there's a very extreme disfunction in their family around food, where they don't eat healthy and nutritious meals as a baseline and instead rely on snacks to keep hunger at bay. There are all sorts of rationalisations around why they don't eat good food, like being individuals and therefore choosing what to eat for themselves or saving money or working a lot: "my protestant work ethic means I don't have time to eat".

When they were children and teenagers, it appears as if this then led to significant weight gain for some of the children and distorted their body image, compounded by their mother pointing out that they were getting fat, which then reinforced the idea that weight loss is something to strive for. This of course doesn't address the, for me, more concerning part around expired and mouldy food.

I'm not now sure how to progress this issue around how to be on the same page regarding future kids. He feels very attacked when I suggest we can't leave our future kids with his DM. He is expecting sleepovers. I think for now perhaps if I focus on ensuring I get the food I need that might create a foundation for establishing rules around any future children.

Thoughts and comments on this are welcome! Thanks again to you all.

Edited

Wow @illtellyouwhat this is serious stuff.

Your DH is completely in denial about how damaging his DM's attitude to food is.
Even though he suffered the effects of it himself as a teenager.

The scariest thing for me is that he does not see anything concerning about her teaching a very young child how to keep hunger at bay, ie that eating normally is wrong.
That to me is a form of child abuse.

Please don't have children with him.

Unless and until he clearly recognises how damaged she is, and what harm she causes to everyone around her.

If you ended up divorced, he could allow her access to your DC all the time when they're with him. Imagine how traumatising that would be for them, and you.

You have a lot of thinking to do ...

ButterYellowFlowers · 21/05/2026 12:30

Would getting a book about childhood nutrition and reading out ‘interesting’ (relevant) excerpts perhaps slowly show him that his mother is not correct about what is healthy or normal? She isn’t a dietitian I assume.

illtellyouwhat · 21/05/2026 12:16

FYI there's a typo above that I didn't see in time to edit:

so I don't want to protect them from the knowledge of something that I know would hurt them.

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illtellyouwhat · 21/05/2026 12:09

NotTheMrMenAgain · 20/05/2026 15:10

OP, where are your lovely parents, who shower you with love and would never treat you like shit? Do they know about this situation, have you told them? I’m a fair bit older than you and I would be fuming if any one treated my DD like this - the bloody audacity of the woman, to restrict your food for her disordered pleasure!

It’s all very well trying to look for reasons/excuses for this frankly barmy, controlling behaviour, and try to laugh it off - but the truth is that it’s simply not funny.

Yes, you clearly have a MIL problem. But the bigger issue here is your DH problem. You’ve acknowledged that he protects his DM at any cost, then next in priority is protecting himself. Nowhere is he protecting you and standing up for you. He minimises her clearly disordered, strange behaviour and defensively gaslights you when you raise it.

Now, imagine you have a baby. This baby will mean the absolute world to you and you will do anything to keep it safe and make it feel loved. Now, imagine your DH, who is completely spineless when it comes to his DM, acquiescing to every single demand she makes regarding your baby - access to the baby, alone time, sleepovers, etc. She is not going to become less weird and controlling once you’ve provided the grandchild she’s told you she expects/wants.

You know how weird your DH and his sister are about food and their messed up family dynamic? Well, that’s what your baby will be exposed to. That’s how they will possibly turn out, if you don't put a stop to this complete and utter bollocks.

I used to be married to a man who was a bit emotionally stunted and couldn’t discuss issues sensibly. Please note, these men don’t tend to make for great father material and often get worse/more entrenched with age.

I’m not saying leave him/run back home to your parents/don’t have a baby with him. Because that’s not helpful, apparently. So I’m definately NOT saying it.

Edited

Thank you for this specifically @NotTheMrMenAgain

And thank you to all of you for your messages and input. As a result of this thread I have done two things. I've spoken to DH and to my parents.

@CraftyYankee mentioned the point about "your family isn't here and so you don't have a support network." and this is very true and has been a challenge the entire time I've lived in the UK. Sometimes it has made things easier, but a lot of times it makes things harder.

@NotTheMrMenAgain you say you would be fuming if you knew this had happened to your DD and I can understand that. I think this is why I don't always tell my parents about some of the bad things that happen/have happened in my life because I love them very much and I know they love me, so I don't want to protect them from the knowledge of something that I know would hurt them.

Told my parents some of these stories last night, but I had to do it in a very humorous way to not hurt them, and I could see that it particularly hurt my father to hear that I had been going hungry all day. They bough laughed about the absurdity of some of the stories and especially of her eating my/other people's food, and were of course appalled to know she keeps mouldy and out of date food in her fridge. They suggested similar things to what everyone has suggested here, which is to just tell her I'm going to go and get myself some food, or I will not be eating that thank you very much. Underlining that I should not be going hungry.

I said earlier in this thread in response to @BuckChuckets that I would find some way of weaving this into a planning session about future kids. Well I sort of did this... but instead of discretely weaving into a structured conversation I just brought the subject up, and asked why do you think she didn't offer me any food? He said I really don't know. He also said since he had was focused on his work call he didn't realise exactly what was going on which I do think is fair in this particular instance. I also have some faith that I may be able to steer him towards being a bit more aware of this in the future, and to speak up if and when he notices that it is happening.

However, where this gets sticky is when I asked whether he would be happy leaving future kids with her, he got very, very upset and said of course he would "she is my MUM!!!" (he said this a number of times) and then talked about how his nieces and nephews have been left with her when they were children and how they are absolutely fine. I asked him well if we had a daughter would you be okay with your mum asking her about her weight and things like that and he said of course not. Very confusing!!

He then also did a fair bit of mental gymnastics to effectively claim his mother makes the same elaborate meals he does (she really doesn't). This is a bit like comparing boiled pasta with a side of cheese to a lasagna. I don't want to get dragged into whether or not children should be fed boiled pasta with bits of cheese, because it's besides the point. What he did was go into denial.

I won't bore you with the details of the entire conversation but when I pointed out that his mother told me she has recently been teaching her one of her grandchildren, who is pre-school age, methods for ensuring you can keep hunger at bay (spoiler: the answer is NOT eat a meal) he said well thats what you teach kids so they don't get fat. And then he said when he got fat when he was in his teens it was an upsetting experience for him.

So I think there's a very extreme disfunction in their family around food, where they don't eat healthy and nutritious meals as a baseline and instead rely on snacks to keep hunger at bay. There are all sorts of rationalisations around why they don't eat good food, like being individuals and therefore choosing what to eat for themselves or saving money or working a lot: "my protestant work ethic means I don't have time to eat".

When they were children and teenagers, it appears as if this then led to significant weight gain for some of the children and distorted their body image, compounded by their mother pointing out that they were getting fat, which then reinforced the idea that weight loss is something to strive for. This of course doesn't address the, for me, more concerning part around expired and mouldy food.

I'm not now sure how to progress this issue around how to be on the same page regarding future kids. He feels very attacked when I suggest we can't leave our future kids with his DM. He is expecting sleepovers. I think for now perhaps if I focus on ensuring I get the food I need that might create a foundation for establishing rules around any future children.

Thoughts and comments on this are welcome! Thanks again to you all.

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FaceIt · 21/05/2026 09:51

Take yourself a packed lunch when you visit. I’m being serious. What you eat is none of her business. She’s obviously got a problem about food but she’s also very rude and ignorant.

OriginalSkang · 21/05/2026 09:13

You say you don't want to make her cross, but you are happy to let her treat you like this? Policing what you eat and your weight when neither is any slight bit of her business?

I know I'm at the other end of the people pleaser scale, so its probably not that relevant, but I couldn't let any of her comments pass without asking her why she is commenting on my weight

TorroFerney · 21/05/2026 09:07

illtellyouwhat · 19/05/2026 15:41

There are a couple of comments about this. First of all, sometimes he does seem a bit clueless. I think he reverts to a sort of child state around her, which a lot of people do when they are with their parents, me included.

We have been together for quite a long time. I've tried to talk to him about setting boundaries with his mother. I don't think he knows how to do that - with her or with anyone else. It also makes him feel stuck in the middle, which he expresses to me. So whether I have to appease her quirks or tell him to set boundaries, and then try to explain how boundaries are set or what a boundary even is, it's still me doing the leg (and brain) work.

It comes down to: how do you teach a grown man to set boundaries, with his mother no less, without creating friction in their relationship?

Why is everyone so scared of friction? You can’t have your cake and eat it pardon the pun, she gets told but you don’t get to police or control her reaction.

what about your boundary? Yours with your husband should be if you let your mum act like this towards me and don’t step in then I will not come with you to see her. You can’t make other people set a boundary. You are expecting your husband and mother in law to see the light so that you don’t have to feel uncomfortable. all of which is understandable but that’s not how it works.

Bossbear · 20/05/2026 22:00

Do you have to see her OP? I wouldn't set foot in her mouldy food ridden house.

CraftyYankee · 20/05/2026 17:21

You're laughing and making jokes here, OP, but what are you going to do?!

I'm in London if you need some IRL chat btw, feel free to PM me 😊

Woodfiresareamazing2 · 20/05/2026 16:05

illtellyouwhat · 20/05/2026 15:53

Unfortunately, not at the moment. I have been out of a job for a while. Don't want to out myself, or blow my own horn, but I am highly educated, just with a history of really bad luck (MIL is a great example of my bad luck 😂).

Tough climate to find a job right now for lots of reasons that are off topic. But in terms of how this links to MIL: it certainly doesn't help. The control issues now extend to my employment status, me getting a job, where I am looking, how I am looking, what kind of job I should be doing and so on. Is she empathetic about this? She does express pity, but in a way I could very much do without. She asks for updates about my job situation in the same way she asks for updates about my weight. It makes it stressful to prepare to see her, to see her and it takes days to decompress after seeing her.

To summarise: my employment situation makes this more difficult, because I am effectively a dependent. But even before this period of unemployment, we still had to go out for dinner with her, and she still paid for it.

Ps. If anybody knows of any jobs going in London, feel free to DM 😉

Pps. Enjoyed reading your post, @Dressfinder and the names you came up with!

I'm sorry for your employment situation, @illtellyouwhat , it's a tough market right now.

But that still doesn't mean you have to go out with her for dinner ...

Just say no.

illtellyouwhat · 20/05/2026 15:53

Dressfinder · 20/05/2026 09:31

OP do you have a job and your own source of income? If you do, you're the problem here for letting this nuts behaviour go on for so long.
Take control.
If you go out to eat with MIL you simply order what you want and as much of it as you want. If there's any objection, you simply pay for it yourself. If she tries to eat your food you say "Actually, Gertrude, I'm really hungry and want to eat all of my meal. If there's anything on my plate when I'm done I'll be happy for you to eat my leftovers."
When she brings up your weight the appropriate response is "That's very rude of you to say, Martha. As it happens, I'm happy with my weight and it's healthy. I am not trying to lose weight and I will not be in the future. Please don't mention my weight again."
When she offers your husband food and not you, intervene. "Sorry, Dorris, Dave and I are going out for dinner after visiting and don't want to fill up beforehand, but thank you."
And, as I said up-thread, go to visit with a prepared lunchbox for yourself. When she questions it be honest. "Well, Deirdre, you don't usually have enough food for me and I often leave here very hungry, so I've decided to bring my own. Would you like me to pack some extra for you next time?"
She's steamrolling you at every opportunity as a means of control - take control back without making a fuss. Simple statements and actions. No accusations or drama.

Unfortunately, not at the moment. I have been out of a job for a while. Don't want to out myself, or blow my own horn, but I am highly educated, just with a history of really bad luck (MIL is a great example of my bad luck 😂).

Tough climate to find a job right now for lots of reasons that are off topic. But in terms of how this links to MIL: it certainly doesn't help. The control issues now extend to my employment status, me getting a job, where I am looking, how I am looking, what kind of job I should be doing and so on. Is she empathetic about this? She does express pity, but in a way I could very much do without. She asks for updates about my job situation in the same way she asks for updates about my weight. It makes it stressful to prepare to see her, to see her and it takes days to decompress after seeing her.

To summarise: my employment situation makes this more difficult, because I am effectively a dependent. But even before this period of unemployment, we still had to go out for dinner with her, and she still paid for it.

Ps. If anybody knows of any jobs going in London, feel free to DM 😉

Pps. Enjoyed reading your post, @Dressfinder and the names you came up with!

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