To think some older women having tax payers funded ivf are hypocrites?

I’m referring to the people using them for non-clinical reasons, including people who are not obese. Prompted by you saying you are not obese. Your pre-diabetes could have been addressed through lifestyle changes but you opted for a medical route. As do many, many others.

Obesity isn't a non-clinical reason though is it?

It costs the NHS lots of money.

Whereas waiting until you're 39 because you wanted the detached house or you hadn't met the perfect Nigel isn't.

And the people who started trying earlier and then were 39 by the time they'd jumped through all the hoops to qualify for IVF?

Rage bait, surely?

Obesity isn't a non-clinical reason though is it?

It costs the NHS lots of money.

Whereas waiting until you're 39 because you wanted the detached house or you hadn't met the perfect Nigel isn't.

Great. But I’m sure you will see that many people using these drugs for non-clinical reasons do end up seeking NHS treatment. And that’s ok, because that’s what we all pay for.

Whose entire life is funded by benefits? Not mine I’ve been working since my dc started school. Same age a lot of people are still at university on their government loan that they never pay back

Actually the World Health Organisation does class infertility as a disease.

It’s not about nice older women who have ivf just the ones who judge teen mums and call them a waste of tax money and then go and have multiple nhs ivf cycles. Just seems hypocritical to me

I am being clear. The illness should be treated. So you treat someone. Becoming infertile is not in itself an illness, it’s just a consequence.

Plenty of people would either not know or care.

Wanting a baby down the line is a separate issue

My personal opinion is that things like IVF, which are not medical in the fact they treat a disease, should not be given on the NHS until the NHS has been sorted out.

It starts falling at 30 and really drops off a cliff at 35 these are biological facts if someone wants to spend years partying, travelling, studying etc good for them but expecting the tax payer to foot the bill for ivf while simultaneously complaining about teenage mums costing the taxpayer money.

It’s like these people have zero self awareness or introspection. Being judged for not having a job at 18 because I had a child by someone who also didn’t have a job at 18 because they were studying with a loan given to them by the government that they don’t have to pay back unless they earn over a certain amount. And with the current unemployment crisis among graduates less and less of them will be paying back their loans.

I see what you mean - yes, overall I'd have more reservations! I'm glad society has moved on from that.

But my point remains that adoption isn't the straightforward alternative to having bio children that some people make it out to be. It's a completely different (and very valuable) thing to be able to do.

Again google is your friend we even have ai now :

Yes, there is substantial evidence from UK studies, reports, charities, and personal accounts showing that teenage mothers ("teen mums") face significant stigma, judgment, hostility, and discrimination.This persists despite teenage pregnancy rates in England and Wales falling sharply (to historic lows, with under-18 conception rates dropping over 60% in recent decades). Public perceptions often exaggerate the issue, contributing to negative attitudes. Academic and Qualitative StudiesMultiple UK-focused studies document young mothers' experiences:
Young parents report everyday judgment, hostility, and stigmatisation, including disparaging looks from strangers, being shouted at or sworn at, ignored by professionals, and name-calling. This leads to feelings of worthlessness, shame, and higher risks of postpartum depression.
Stigma is linked to stereotypes of teen mums as irresponsible, unfit parents, welfare-dependent, or morally lax. This "inferiorisation" affects interactions with the public, schools, and services.
A Brighton-based study (Ellis-Sloan) found young mothers keenly aware of the stigmatising identity. Examples include public sneering, bus passengers calling teen mums a "disgrace," and assumptions they only get pregnant for benefits/housing.
Barnardo's report Not the End of the Story highlighted bullying, stigma, and unofficial school exclusions for pregnant girls, reinforcing isolation and reluctance to access support.
Media, Charities, and Public Discourse
BBC Newsbeat (2014) reported young mums facing stigma and abuse, with charities noting discrimination often stems from misconceptions about how common teen pregnancy is.
The "pramface" label and media portrayals reinforce views of teen mums as a social problem or burden.
Public polls (e.g., Ipsos MORI) show Britons overestimate teen birth rates (guessing ~16% of girls aged 15-19 give birth yearly, vs. actual ~3% at the time), fueling exaggerated negative views.
Impacts on Mental Health and Daily Life
Young mums experience shame, judgment from professionals, and barriers to support, increasing mental health risks. Many feel not taken seriously as parents.
Stigma continues into later life, e.g., at their child's school, where former teen mums report judgment from other parents and staff.
This can lead to social isolation, lower self-esteem, and reluctance to seek help.
Context and NuanceTeenage pregnancy in the UK is strongly linked to deprivation, with higher rates in poorer areas. While many teen mums face real challenges (e.g., lower educational/economic outcomes on average), research shows outcomes vary, some young parents do well with support, and stigma itself worsens isolation and mental health without helping prevention. Government strategies (e.g., the Teenage Pregnancy Strategy) and prevention frameworks acknowledge stigma as a factor but also aim to reduce rates through education and support. In short, peer-reviewed studies, charity reports (Barnardo's, etc.), and first-hand accounts consistently prove widespread judgment exists in the UK, manifesting in public hostility, professional bias, and social exclusion. Rates have declined partly because of this stigma, per some analyses, but it harms those affected.

It starts falling at 30 and really drops off a cliff at 35 these are biological facts if someone wants to spend years partying, travelling, studying etc good for them but expecting the tax payer to foot the bill for ivf while simultaneously complaining about teenage mums costing the taxpayer money.

It’s like these people have zero self awareness or introspection. Being judged for not having a job at 18 because I had a child by someone who also didn’t have a job at 18 because they were studying with a loan given to them by the government that they don’t have to pay back unless they earn over a certain amount. And with the current unemployment crisis among graduates less and less of them will be paying back their loans.

That posters analogy is apt for SOME people. There’s a certain type who do insist their 20s and even early 30s are for partying, sniffing coke, sleeping around, building their career etc and see late 30s as the ideal time they want children when it’s not always possible. Then they resent younger mums accuse them of all being benefit scroungers etc

Of course there are people who have been trying for a baby for years and have endometriosis PCOS etc. but denying the above type of person also exists is pretty silly.

This is certainly going to be a very unpopular opinion, but I do not think anyone should be having IVF on the NHS.
That is not what it was set up for.
Call me a Luddite, but if it isn't happening naturally there is probably a good reason.

I’m not suggesting that you are, but you appeared to be trivialising cosmetic surgery with the ‘boob job’ trope. Equally, unsure why that’s not clear but also much less interesting in engaging with you now so let’s drop it.