To think some older women having tax payers funded ivf are hypocrites?

I'm in my 60s, so people having/have had babies in their 20s doesn't seem at all strange. Being pregnant at 15 is an outlier though and maybe my generation were just too damned scared of what it might mean to take it lightly.

I went to a large all girls high school and literally one girl through my whole 5 years was pregnant at 15 (in 1978) She was lovely but very quiet and seemed a bit neglected looking back. Even then we worked out something might not have been right about all this. Noone was horrible to her and our headmistress picked her up herself so she could sit her O levels.

We had a class photo with her and the baby in the centre.

I'm sorry if people were mean to you @Spiderbug , but taking it out on random people you clearly don't know who've needed IVF isn't OK and you are irrational in your arguments.

I'd argue that brains are much more suited at 36 to becoming parents than 15 (or 16-25 TBF).

Because 15 and 36 are the only options not the 21 years between them when our bodies ( and brains ?) are actually best suited to child bearing ?

I assumed you were also in your late thirties since that's the group you seem to be hanging round with a lot from your comments and you keep bleating on about how you've worked since leaving uni age and paid your dues making it sound like it was ages ago and you've paid into the public pot for years and years totally paying off all the benefit money you needed when younger. You're making our you're not a net taker which you are and will be until you've paid tax for many more years. You have no moral high ground here to crow about how older women shouldn't have any treatment funded by public funds! After they've had their one IVF cycle the NHS provides they will still have taken less than you from the government but will have paid significantly more in just due to being ten years older than you and working all that time.

But you aren’t biologically too old. Most women can get pregnant under 40 naturally . My mother had me at almost 39 in the 80s. It’s perfectly normal and natural. Sorry to break it to you

Fuck me! So you're about 25 and have been working roughly 5 years after having had a child on benefits as a teenager and have the audacity to moan about women in their late thirties who have been paying their student loans, plus interest, plus tax for nearly TWO DECADES having IVF on the NHS!?!

They've paid several times more in to the coffers than you and took significantly less out! The brass neck!

So you're around 23 then? So if you've been working since your child started school, that would be about 3 years?

Please correct me if this is wrong.

And being ‘biologically too old’ isn’t an eligibility criterion for IVF on the NHS.

You can go back and read it if you might actually listen to it. I've made it several times and now I realise you don't want to have conversations you just want to have a lot of people agree with you that other women are terrible and wasting government funds.

Also, I've never told you when I had children. You've made assumptions. Congratulations.

The NHS doesn't fund IVF for those that are biologically too old.

Nope. I just know when people aren't going to bother even trying to understand actual, valid points of view and I've been bored and amusing myself 😁

Leaving having a baby until you are biologically too old isn't health is it?

I do think it shouldn’t be funded on the NHS for over 35s.

To admit you have grudges, vendetta's, problems, issues, whatever term you want to use, with groups of people.

Completely normal behaviour.

But you're not bitter? Just have vendetta's? Totally normal.

Yes I saw that. And it did look like you were bitter you didn't get to go to uni yourself. Your cohort went to university 15 years ago and had successful careers and have been paying their loans back plus interest for over a decade. They were the people you were slagging off with that comment about loving on a government loan whilst you were living on benefits and claiming they never paid it back.

When this was pointed out to you you went off on a tangent about recent graduates who are struggling to find employment and gleefully chirped on about how they never amounted to anything so they've wasted their time and government money. You've been told this group of people are irrelevant to the late thirties group you have a problem with and have doubled down and kept banging on about them amounting to nothing and them being on Reddit bemoaning their lives for some reason. Just accept they're irrelevant to your Vendetta and move on!

Not sure what exactly you are bitter about but there is bitterness emanating from all your posts . That much is certain.

But there's a difference between people being bewildered about a couple in their 20s having a baby and moaning about teen mums being a drain on society.

It's a false equivalence to compare an undergraduate with someone claiming benefits. Although they're not in work (although everyone I knew in uni also had part time jobs and I had a full time job while I did my postgrad) and I'm still paying back the loans so it's very difference to benefits.

I was also a parent in of 3 my 20s and although we had plenty of "was it an accident" foot in mouth moments, we both worked, no one ever mentioned any kind of draining society or not pulling our weight in the grander scheme of things. I know it's very different to teen pregnancy.