To think some older women having tax payers funded ivf are hypocrites?

Teen mums are ridiculous. Now we have so many ways in which to deal with an unwanted pregnancy or emergency contraception.
They make a choice to get pregnant as a teen.
People with infertility issues deserve the chance to have IVF. That’s all.

No I just mean no one with any ounce of intelligence would describe a fully grown adult at the cusp of their 30s having a baby as a “disaster “ so get over yourself basically

Tragic victim ? No biological realist more like.

No, you probably won't have.

There is no problem with people taking from a system they've paid into for many many years. They cannot continuously access IVF services. It's often only one cycle, if they are accepted at all. So far less cost than a teenage mother.

"As I’ve said many times this is only about the hypocrites who are ok taking things from tax payers"

Sweetie, they ARE the taxpayers 🤷‍♀️

You are way too hung up on this false equivalency of yours, continuing to whine 'but hypocrisy'. There IS hypocrisy and, if you look up the definition, you may feel a little embarrassed about where the hypocrisy is actually coming from 😬

I don’t think anyone suggests becoming a parent in your mid to late twenties is a disaster, it’s just not financially viable for very many people. If we want to see younger mothers (and i differ from you in thinking that’s necessary) then we need a big cultural
shift. And I think that shift might result in fewer births overall, as women may hear the message that it’s too late past a certain age (the cliff edge myth). If we want fewer births but to younger mothers, ok, I just don’t see the advantage.

@Neurodiversitydoctor i don’t know why you are so hung up on people having pregnancy at the exact “prime” time of 24/25. In real life that isn’t going to work for people Also no one bats an eyelid in most circles at pregnancy mid twenties plus . Stop making yourself out to be some tragic victim of mistreatment by the masses because you had a baby as an adult at a perfectly normal age

So do most 36 year olds

Of course not and I am not advocating young parenthood ( by which I mean before 17). But having a child at 18-30 isn't the disaster it is made out to be in society generally - it is what we were designed to do. Social views have swung too far on this one. Older parenthood is inherently risky the risks should be more widely known to allow people to make better informed choices.

You’re hilarious OP. Chip on your shoulder much? 🤣

But physical outcomes aren’t the only factor to consider are they?

I am sorry to hear you have had a hard time for being a teen mum. I have never heard anyone be negative about teen mums. It would have been more I thing when I was young(I left school in 1988) but teen pregnancies are much reduced. Of my cohort, one had a baby at 16 and it was adopted. One has a miscarriage at 17. One had an abortion at 16 and I know of 3 who had babies by 18. Of my son’s friends, I know of none (he is 19) and of his year just one boy who is now a dad.

If I heard of a teen mum I would be surprised. If someone I knew, then supportive. My friend runs baby groups and I know she would be supportive.

I know you say your post probably isn’t aimed at me but I just wanted to add, a lot of the mums who have babies later haven’t left it too late. They could have had fertility issues regardless. I ttc in my early 20s. It didn’t happen. Then we split. I met my sons dad in my late 20s and it took almost 4 years of ttc before DS was born. I then was unable to conceive again. We decided against IVF but had I gone down that road, I wouldn’t really be because I waited.

I think it is reasonable for you to be pissed if you were badly treated but the majority of women having IVF won’t think that way.

You know what, by this reasoning we should just scrap all state support for anything. No is entitled to anything and should just pay for it all themselves. That would have left you with a baby and no money and nowhere to live as a teenager though and you wouldn't have liked that would you? The hypocrite here is you.

Very young pregnancy (13 or 14) yes but most 15 year olds have uncomplicated pregnancies, easy labours and recover quickly. Of course 18 or 19 is lower risk still and 24/25 probrably lowest risk of all

No it’s really not. Teenage pregnancy comes with a lot of risks as well.

Yes, but 15 is young and was even considered so so several 100 years ago. Lots of the poor kids who were married off as babies were not expected to be entering real marriage and childbearing until they were about 16, sometimes older. The 13 year old Margaret Beaufort (mother of the Tudor dynasty) was unusual, thankfully . She was so young that it destroyed her ability to ever bear another child.

Terrible typos apologies

Agreed but ypur body os better at it at 15. I thinl we can agree that in the middle is better.

These are good points, I wonder OP have you read this? You seem very blinkered to what anyone is saying. I believe someone said something in real life to upset you about teen mums recently? Which resulted in you creating this thread but you are generalizing and judging all older mums with careers and being unfair. Reflect on these points that LOTS off pp have raised please.

@Spiderbug - where is the evidence, other than anecdotal, for a substantial overlap between people who complain about single mums getting benefits and people getting multiple cycles of IVF on the NHS?

From what you've said about earning the same as the graduates you work with who are on minimum wage, I'm guessing you are too, and therefore likely topped up with UC?

So you have been working for less years than the state funded you fully.

You are therefore still a "net taker" and still likely receiving, so not likely to have "paid back" what you were given. Still a net taker.

Correct?

But the woman who has paid in until she's in her 30s is NOW utilising some state funding, but that likely won't cost as much as she's paid in.

Also correct?

Explain the hypocrisy?

Not sure what part of “person who makes the claim provides the evidence” you are struggling with.

So where is your evidence? (Or lack of it)

People were mean to you so you have to be mean to others?

You'll have paid in as much as someone having IVF so you should have had the benefits but they shouldn't because someone was mean to you?

You'll definitely work forever but someone currently unemployed (as you were back then) won't?

That's if you keep a job or find work throughout your working life. Like I said, no reason for people to be nasty to you, but you don't know what's around the corner, illness, redundancy, secondary infertility, bereavement, loads of stuff that can turn your life upside down. Don't assume, because if you do, you're as bad as people who insulted you a few years ago when you had your child.