To think some older women having tax payers funded ivf are hypocrites?

The only reason I think of is that they think people with fertility issues have failed some sort of natural quality control process, a viewpoint that makes no sense at all, when you consider the number of naturally conceived children that are born with disabilities and inherited genetic conditions and the that most IVF children are healthy.

Where I am in England the NHS only fund one cycle of IVF. Do other areas fund multiple cycles? Seems so unfair. The women I know have paid vast amounts in the hope of getting their longed for baby. Not many seem to only need one cycle.

The idea that it’s more sensible to plan to get pregnant at 15 than 30 is insane.

OP if you google you will see that the difference between fertility at 15 and 30 is actually tiny in real terms. literally 5% difference

Many studies find around 85–90% of women in their late teens/early 20s conceive within a year
Around 75–85% of healthy 30-year-olds conceive within a year

Also in some professions you can be working and studying until your late twenties to even get qualified. And that's even if you go straight through from school onto university etc. Plenty of people have time off, do something else, change their career path etc. Either way, it's not surprising that people wait until their 30s before even thinking about settling down let along having children.

@Spiderbug you are showing yourself up to be extremely small minded and uneducated. Unfortunately the exact stereotypes you are trying to make out people shouldn't apply to you.

I paid for all 6 cycles of my IVF. I needed IVF due to endometriosis and PCOS. No one I ever saw in that waiting room was there just because they were old. I was surprised myself to see how young everyone there was, due to this stupid stereotype that only dried up middle aged career women need IVF. The waiting room was full of women with Gynae conditions, men with low sperm counts, lots of same sex couples. They were all universally desperate and it was common to see people leaving the clinic crying. To come after a group of people who have suffered like this just because you have a chip on your shoulder about being a teen mum is disgusting and actually demonstrates that you never grew up. Your posts read like a pissed off 15 year old, you have never matured and finished your education clearly.

Oh and by the way, you claim us nok teen mums can't possibly know the amount of shit you get a s a teen mum. Let me tell you, as someone who has never needed fertility treatment you have no idea the amount of shit that gets thrown at us about how our children shouldn't be here, we were infertile for a reason etc.

Wind your neck in, you clearly know fuck all and are embarrassing yourself.

This smacks of ‘people were nasty to me for being a young mum, so I want older women to suffer’, @Spiderbug. Bitterness like this won’t harm the women you are hating, it will only hurt you.

maybe that says more about the people you know rather than the general consensus.

Well that is your limited experience and I accept that. But it doesn’t necessarily translate to the wider population.

Exactly. I think NHS has an age-cut-off and you can't just get free NHS IVF as an older woman.

You don’t get IVF on the NHS because you’re too old to conceive naturally ffs. Maybe educate yourself somewhat. And no, teen parenthood is not something to aspire to.

30 isn't old, @Spiderbug

Are you in favour of paying higher taxes yourself to support people who are not financially in a position to start their families before they are "too old"?

The average age of a first time house buyer in the UK is 34, by the way. Not that you have to own a house to have children but people may feel they don't want to be living according to the whim of a landlord increasing rent.

How many older women are entitled to IVF on the NHS just cos they left it too late? I don't know all the ins and outs but i was under the impression that most went private and paid for it.

I suppose older mums were going to get it on here eventually.

Anyone who calls any mum, be it teenage or old, a waste of taxpayers' money is idiotic.

I do agree though that IVF on the NHS should be limited. And people stop whining about birth rates.

On the assumption that you're not talking out of your behind, YANBU that it would be incredibly unkind for one group of women to shamelessly judge another group of women for "wasting tax payers money" on anything, really, if they are then using a substantial amount themselves.

That would be true regardless of the circumstances. Like, it would be hypocritical for one woman to judge another for say a boob job to then go and get loads of lip fillers, for example.

I've personally seen no evidence of it though.

I just get a bit annoyed at people confidently proclaiming that "there is a good reason for infertility". I have never seen a good explanation for this and it gives the impression they haven't really thought it through.

Is it the same woman doing both? And the costs of IVF pale in the costs paid to rear children.

Also nobody “leaves it too late”. They simply wait until a sensible position to have children.

I think they way you have phrased it is unreasonable but I agree that expecting expensive fertility treatment bwcause you have waited too long is unreasonable. And there is increasing evidence that increasing maternal age leads to increased risk of life long issues for the child that also need funded.

Are there no men involved at either end of the reproductive age span?

Women are to blame..too young. Blame. Too old, blame.

We just reproduce via parthenogenesis do we? And still get it wrong. Amazing.

Well all the teen mums I knew/ know went on to have great careers. Including my nan.
My friends of which there are about ten, all have worked full time and paid their taxes
So have these older women.
I think people that leave it too late then do ivf should have been better at planning, but sometimes planning isnt the issue, could be that they met their partner late or were busy building wells in africa.
Either way they are both producing new people who will pay taxes themselves and so both groups should mind their own business about the other.

OP is talking about 30 year olds though - there’s no evidence of any adverse outcomes giving birth aged 30. It is a very normal age to have children (and somebody going through an IVF cycle aged 30 likely started TTC around 25-27, so absolutely optimal time).

There is quite a lot of evidence of adverse outcomes getting pregnant aged 14 though, as OP did. Far more likely to have birth complications, quite aside from the socioeconomic factors.

You're the hypocrite!

It's the other way around as far as I can see. You're the one judging women receiving tax-payer funded IVF (at 30+!!) while tax payers like myself had to pay for you when you had a baby at 15.

Jog on.

Oh @Spiderbug you’re not getting the point the poster is making.

no one is saying teen mums don’t face stigma.

no one is saying that older women accessing IVF on the NHS cannot be hypocrites.

What you’re failing to acknowledge is that there is ni evidence whatsoever to say that this is a substantial sample

You are fertile from the onset of menstruation until you are at menopause and this will no longer be the case if you have some fertility issue.

Fertility doesn't wane at 30. Not at all.