To think some older women having tax payers funded ivf are hypocrites?

It seems apt.

Are you taking the piss?

my children are perfectly normal thank you. No illness, no mental health problems, both very academic and play multiple sports.

I had IVF because of minor health conditions on both mine and my husbands side that effected our fertility levels. If one of us had the issue it would have been fine, but both issues together we struggled. Our kids are genetically ours, we haven’t used donors (not that this matters) , we literally just needed help getting the sperm to the egg!

Cosmetic surgery is not routinely available on the NHS - If the goal is purely aesthetic “I don’t like how this looks”, the NHS will not fund it. Only if there is a medical or psychological need. My mate lost 17st naturally, excess skin weighing 2.5 stone and the NHS would not pay for the skin removal until he had repeated skin and urinary infections as a direct result of the excess skin - 12 years before they decided they could remove the skin and 12 years of his life hiding.

Deliberately delaying means just that - not TTCing until you're already running out of viable eggs. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to take a break from your career, for example, but you need to own that choice. Your eggs aren't going to say, "Oh, we'll hang around until you're ready."

Again, what do you think of people who leave studying for exams until the last minute and then resent people who pass?

'knocked up'? Where are we Grease?

100% agree. I didn’t have a suitable partner until I was 28. And I unfortunately needed an operation / medical intervention that would have made pregnancy beforehand a very bad idea. I’ll (probably) be cleared to TTC this January.

At which point I will be 33 years old. and hopefully everything goes smoothly (the odds are pretty good according to my gyno).

But 33 is the earliest sensible / possible point to TTC for me. During uni? And even post-grad / at the beginning of my career without a steady partner? Intentionally choosing to become a single mother without an established career or any financial security? And then the (non-fertility related!) health issues came, which I needed to deal with before even contemplating TTC.

So this whole talk of intentionally delaying pregnancy seems incredibly silly and strange to me.

It‘s not as if I - or most other older would-be mothers - were sitting around thinking: „oh yes, I’m in a relationship with the perfect man, we’re financially stable, physically healthy… but let’s just delay pregnancy for as long as possible!!“

Well, the way it’s all going, all IVF will need to be paid for by those who want it.

Weird kids ? Yeh you have just lost all credibility there. You really don’t have a clue what you are talking about at all. Do some research

Are you aware that cosmetic surgery is available on the NHS?

Not sure if anyone has pointed this out but this covers all UK IVF births, not just those which are NHS funded.

OP you seem to have got angry about a phenomena that IF it exists will be in very small numbers.

Most people who abuse teens mums are likely to abuse mums like me who had DC late 30s/early 40s after a horrible decade of infertility and baby loss after spending eye watering amounts on IVF.

But you do you with the divisive bullshit.

I'm wondering why you got out of bed this morning and decided that this was the thing you were going to post.

Have you felt that you or teenage mothers around you were negatively judged? Personally I've never seen what you're talking about coming from those with fertility issues.

What an absolutely inane analogy. What does ‘deliberately delaying’ even mean in relation to TTC? Delaying until you feel ready, until you have a suitable partner, home, or are at a point in your career where a break isn’t going to mess it up? Whatever decision a woman makes on TTC is a gamble. How odd to judge someone for ‘deliberately delaying’ a really important and irreversible choice.

Resentment is just like judgement, not something to be proud of but something we can all feel at times. Are you ‘vile’ as well?

Here is a breakdown of where the money goes (not IVF).

The largest area of NHS day-to-day spending is typically staff costs, equating to 50% of day-to-day expenditure. Other areas of significant spending include primary care (general practice, dentistry, etc), procurement (supplies and services to deliver health care) and non-NHS health care (independent, local authority or voluntary, community or social enterprise sector providers).

We could just go Brave New World and be done with it

She’s awful, I’d ignore her/him.

The debate skills emanating from you are mind blowing.

They are elective. You won’t die without a hip replacement. You can use a wheelchair. Any joint replacements done for reasons other than major trauma to the joint are elective.

revise your understanding of language, genius.

Maybe not of the individual but the falling birth rates could be the start of the death of humans as a species.

Not commenting on whether it's a good or a bad thing, but if humans are to survive, more babies are required.

No, but you’re incredibly rude. Resulting to name calling says a lot about you.

Not necessarily. Our hospital also does oral surgery and plenty other optional procedures that wouldn’t make you disabled not having it.

Any non emergency procedures are elective.

Everything non-emergency is elective surgery!
hernias, cataracts, joint replacements, gall bladder ops…. What are you talking about?
why is reproductive medicine less important?