To think some older women having tax payers funded ivf are hypocrites?

If social services were handing out newborns (who'd experienced a healthy pre-birth environment) I'd have adopted rather than have IVF.

They are not. It is not the same as in the past, largely because society now supports young single mums rather than whisk their babies away for adoption ...

There’s so many types of cosmetic surgery though. A person with a massive facial scar, or a port wine birthmark, or loose skin from weight loss, or damage from burns or from cancer or from dog bites or car accidents or a violent crime. I agree some fertility treatment should be accessible on the NHS but I don’t agree with your trivialising others’ pain just because you think yours is worse. And then you talk about empathy!

Yep. Definitely jealous of other people's opportunities, otherwise you wouldn't be revelling in their failure so much.

What? Have you even read the ICB policies for who can access ivf? In my area it’s one round. For those under 40. No previous ivf fertility treatment. No children on either side. Don’t even get me started on the criteria for same sex couples. To get on the list you need to have been trying for at least a year, have then had other tests to rule out issues that could be the cause and could be fixed before ivf is even an option. So these are not people waiting until they’re too old. You’ve been reading about celebrities too much.

You know the vast majority of IV in the UK is paid for privately right? In London 80% is privately funded.

You can’t get on nhs over 39 -definitely most areas if not all. Most also only do 1 or 2 rounds before you have to go private.

"The same age a lot of older mothers are still studying at uni on a student loan they will never pay back" is literally dripping in resentment. It's a silly snap back a 15 year old would come out with. Sounds like someone is bitter they didn't get to go to uni and have a successful career because of their life choices, you already said these women do the same crappy job you do for £12 and hour so you clearly haven't claimed the ranks. You sound very unhappy.

No nerves touched here, I had my child at a responsible age after making a good career and a stable home to raise them in. Your lack of empathy is disgusting and just shines a light on how bitter you are. I'm not the one ranting into the void taking joy in other people's misfortune because I'm so angry so I don't know why you think you're touching nerves. Just like I don't know why you can't understand that teen mums cost the state a lot more than a single round of IVF which is all you get on the NHS anyway.

Medical necessity is defined based on many, many factors. Including mental and emotional wellbeing.

"I want bigger boobs" would not be rated the same medical necessity as "it's giving me depression trying to conceive a child naturally".

You're showing your lack of knowledge.

Where I grew up it was a path many actually chose because there was no career paths and they didn't want to leave. And you'll note that I said ANY AGE because it's not all about teen mums. Except in your mind.

No it isn’t . As pp has stated infertility is classified as a disease. Are you a mother ? Anyone who makes bitter comments like these ones I’ve outlined must clearly be unhappy with their own choices in life alone the way. There is no other reason for a cruel vendetta against women longing to be mothers.

Medically it is.

Yes and people making callous comments comparing it to cosmetic surgery shows a disgusting lack of empathy. Wanting bigger boobs or whatever isn’t the same as the pain of longing to become a mother and not being able to.

I agree.

And generally parents of children conceived via ivf make a real effort to parent responsibly, which is what society needs more than volume of births.

The OP does sound utterly ghastly

I can’t believe all the women here who probably are mothers themselves are so lacking in empathy towards people who are infertile. I don’t live in the uk and I had my first child age 32 . Got pregnant first try and was delighted . I remember here in Ireland it was announced funding for a round of ivf for infertile couples . I remember seeing and thinking that’s brilliant news and holding my baby and thinking gosh I’m so so lucky I could become a mother without going through that . Little did I know I’d be infertile by 34. Ended up paying for my own ivf for my second at 38 which I’ve no issue with as I already had a child and I was lucky it did work. I cannot believe anyone who is a mother would begrudge a woman who is infertile and longing for a child of a chance to become a mother. It’s disgusting .

Realistically we are not going to need as many people as technology is taking a lot of jobs. Even in a setting as unsophisticated as the supermarket, we now have one roving assistant for at least half a dozen - if not more - self service check-outs.

I personally think there just needs to be thinking about having children full stop - but generally the ivf parents have thought pretty long and hard.

Actually the World Health Organisation does class infertility as a disease.

I’m sorry you had a terrible experiences. I’m having my own terrible experience now and it’s not the first. But I don’t begrudge others having procedures they need and I don’t, because harming others doesnt automatically help me.

And being infertile isn’t an illness. If you insist on having a child that’s fine but why use further NHS funds for it?

You are clearly being obtuse or you struggle to read.

The NHS is on its arse. I had a hideous experience about which I still have nightmares. Because there is no money and the system is inefficient.

Of course you will go off on one about all the other procedures that are less important - crack on.

Don't need to. Didn't need it. I don't only advocate for myself.