To think some older women having tax payers funded ivf are hypocrites?

OP you did a nice swerve on how long you were on benefits and what you received. Might take a long time to repay that. I also reiterate that you might want to be thankful to be fertile.

You don't know for certain that you will continue to pay into the system at that level. Life can throw all kinds of curve balls.

Personally I think one sibling round as well should be funded if you are infertile. Most people want more than one child so why can't that be the same for those who need IVF. I have two IVF children.

Maybe be grateful you didn't need IVF?

@Spiderbug - being this bitter will only hurt you, not the people you are so angry with. Focus on your own life and happiness.

She's had this said multiple times. She's not interested in learning what it means, just likes throwing around the word I think.

I reiterate I’ve got nothing against university students or ivf mums in general just some people are hypocrites.

Yes, some people are hypocrites. I'd advise you not to dwell on them and live your life, with your child, in the happiest way you can. Everyone has been through stuff and you have much more stuff ahead of you. Recognising that we don't ever really know what goes on for other people is a way of coping with what seems unfair.

Oh and I really would can the 'Mickey Mouse degrees' stuff, when you have never done one. It doesn't make you sound great.

Hypocritical would be someone who has never worked a day in their life complaining about teen mums taking benefits. Or calling them a "slag" while having multiple kids to different dads for example.

Someone getting ivf or going to university has absolutely no relevance again to your situation.

The comments you've had about teen mums are of course unacceptable.

But I'm not sure you know the meaning of hypocrisy. People seeking IVF regardless of what they say about teen mums is not hypocritical. It has absolutely no relevance to your situation as a teen mum. Seeking medical treatment is not "wasting" tax payers money. These people are using a system which they have presumably spent a decade or so paying into.

Ditto University students. Even if people don't pay back their loans. They still pay taxes over their working career.

I completely agree. The "arguments" the OP has thrown about are nonsensical and ridiculous at best. You've shown yourself no better than the supposed people judging you than comments you've made about people's degrees and older women having IVF.

Judging people and making comments when you don't know the individual situation is of course not right. But you sitting making accusations of people and saying its OK for you to judge them when they judge you just smacks of immaturity . You haven't shown one sensible or coherent argument.

I mean what's your views on say medical students judging teen mums? Is that OK because it's not a "mickey mouse degree". Or what about a women in her 20s getting ivf judging a teen mum. Is that OK then?

@Spiderbug I said a long way back on this thread that although a child of 15 becoming pregnant is not optimal, support rather than judgement is needed. You however seem very happy to judge women who need IVF for reasons you can't possibly know the circumstances of, perhaps because one of them may have insulted you a few years ago, who knows. You are also happy to talk negatively about students with their 'Mickey Mouse' degrees, when it is highly improbable that any of those young people have ever spoken to you adversely about teen mothers and conflate them into the large band of people you are very willing to disrespect. One of their so called 'Mickey Mouse' degrees is a qualification you don't have and sneering won't change that. Maybe you could expand your life by doing the work to take a degree you consider worthy.

You are 23ish and have worked for 3 years and have no idea whatever what life will throw at you but seem to demand respect when you show none to groups of others, and your " I don't mean nice people" schtick doesn't wash, at all. You have shown yourself disinclined to do anything other than argue the supposed rightness of your narrow viewpoint, whatever other ideas are put to you.

People have the right to try to have a child. No one has an absolute right to have a child as it cannot be enforced in law, nature will have the final say.

But you are judging, you are judging a lot of others. Older women who may have put financial independence or a finding a partner before having a child, women who may have medical issues, women who simply may not have felt ready/mature enough for a child until older and keep trying until its nearly too late as they don't want to be a burden, students for hoping to improve their lot (not just highly intelligent ones). I'm sure if I kept reading all your comments there would be more.

You sound bitter and that you are annoyed at other peoples choices, no better, no less than yours, just different. Try having some understanding for mature women who desperately want a child in the way you want understanding for having a child young and the struggles you experienced.

Sorry but if there are hypocrites about, you are one of them.

Whether people feel IVF should be funded or not, is variable. But IVF parents to be are likely to be older, paid in, and have thought about having children and all it entails.

Unlike most teen parents. 🙄

There's a lot of people on here saying people don't have the right to have a child and shouldn't be having IVF.

The thing is people DO have a right to have a child, just as people have the right to not to choose to have a child. And the right to family life is recognised as such under international law.

You don't have a point. You chose to have a baby at sixteen and received whatever benefits you were entitled to. Just like the people who get IVF on the NHS or the alcoholic who gets a liver transplant, and people who do a degree and never earn enough to repay the loan.

You all chose to use taxpayer money to which you were entitled.

You just need to own your own decisions and stop looking sideways and inventing irrational, embittered reasons to rant about entire groups of people on the internet.

I know it's like comparing apples and oranges. I'm failing to see the how people using a system they've paid into is the same as people taking benefits from a system they haven't been paying into.

Not that I have a problem with our benefit system supporting vulnerable mothers but it's not comparable to people using health and education systems.

Sorry, how are these people wasting tax payers money? They're using the healthcare or education provisions. That's incredibly different to not working and expecting free money.

And IVF isn't a "waste of tax payers money". As mentioned above, it's a treatment for infertility which classed by the World Health Organisation as a medical disease.

Don't like it? There's plenty of countries you can move to where they have no state funded health care.

But why is it up to you to decide what constitutes wastes tax payers money?

Alcoholism is a complex disease. Are you saying that people who are alcoholics should just be left to rot with no state support? Most of us who pay in to the system accept that part of we pay for is to provide a safety net for the most vulnerable in society even if we don't agree with their life choices whether that be teen pregnancy or addiction.

And infertility is classed as a disease of the reproductive system so why wouldn't people be offered treatment for this? And its one that causes both mental and physical trauma to people. Is there only certain diseases that people should get treatment for?

And what do you count as an unworthy degree? Fashion? Media? Because there are plenty people who do these degrees who go on to become very successful and probably earn much more than you ever will.

You've been judged as a teenage mum? That's life unfortunately. Most of us get judged at some point in our life. And you've done a pretty food job in this thread of judging a whole raft of people.

Who is they? Who are all these alcoholics needing liver transplants that want young unmarried mums in covents?

Where are you getting all these facts from about all these random, niche groups of people? So far we've had older mums getting IVF apparently all hate teenage mums. And we now have alcoholics needing liver transplants wanting young unmarried mums all shipped off to covents.