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Afghanistan humanitarian crisis

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Ihatetomatoes · 18/05/2026 22:21

BBC news 3 out of 4 struggle to find food

A growing number of billionaires and yet shocking food famine around the world.

Shocking decisions taken to sell children.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0q25dwj807o

A man wearing a pink turban cuddles his small daughter close in front of a cracked mud wall

Afghanistan humanitarian crisis: Ghor's starving families

In Afghanistan today, a staggering three in four people cannot meet their basic needs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0q25dwj807o

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ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 19/05/2026 21:23

Foodgloriousfoodie · 19/05/2026 21:06

In feel like posters are being really short sighted and ignorant about history - women were still property of men here in England around 100 years ago and
had no legal rights and Middle Eastern countries were certainly not behind us in science, mathematics and art - certainly in Mathematics - the ability of the world to be developed due to algebra - that originated in Baghdad

So what??

OtterlyAstounding · 19/05/2026 21:22

Foodgloriousfoodie · 19/05/2026 20:55

I think his wife is dead and he is trying to keep the family dying from hunger

you clearly don’t watch it before commenting so ignorantly

No, I didn't watch this specific report, just read the article, but I have read extensively on the horrors in Afghanistan - I'm not ignorant of the situation there.

There are many men who are selling their children, while the child's mother is alive. My point is that mothers have no voice, they have no say, they have no rights - they are considered less than livestock. We don't hear from the women because they are so thoroughly oppressed they cannot even speak on the horrors that they experience.

This father, this man, has been centred - his suffering has been centred. The fact that he's sold his daughter off to be raped from the age of 10, and then bred like cattle from the point that she's fertile, to probably die in childbirth or see her own children starve and die, is not something I have any sympathy for him over.

WaryCrow · 19/05/2026 21:22

OtterlyAstounding · 19/05/2026 20:50

There are other ways to fight for change than violence. And single young women could send money back home just as easily, if they were sent away to work.

I'm looking at it from the point of view that nothing will ever change if the men who disagree with the misogyny just leave (and send money back to the trapped women and children). It only perpetuates the suffering. I'm not saying there's an easy solution, but it angers me.

The women in Afghanistan are not allowed an education, not allowed to train, nor allowed to be seen in public. If a passing man hears a woman’s voice inside her own home she can be killed.

How easy do you think it is for them to travel across their own country and then the world by working? You need skills to work. They have none beyond how to hide.

FWIW I do know several Indian women who work as nurses here and send money back to their children left with grandparents in India. It seems to be a common Asian tradition. Not sure that it’s a great solution either. What’s the point of having children you never get to see?

Ihatetomatoes · 19/05/2026 21:22

Bringemout · 19/05/2026 21:04

Yes the concept of helping someone without demanding you be able to rape their small children seems to be beyond comprehension here.

To the poster who was talking about the Irish potato famine, selling your underage daughters has a long standing history in Afghanistan. It is not just in response to famine, it is a cultural habit. Yes there will be afghans who absolutely despise the practice but the idea that it is a response entirely to these circumstances is just not true.

It's awful. Cultural, religious, whatever the reason its terrible.

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ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 19/05/2026 21:22

Tomorrow, i could read a news article about Afghanistan saying that they’ve dug an enormous hole and buried every last female in it.
I’m that desensitised to their depravity.

Bringemout · 19/05/2026 21:20

Foodgloriousfoodie · 19/05/2026 21:06

In feel like posters are being really short sighted and ignorant about history - women were still property of men here in England around 100 years ago and
had no legal rights and Middle Eastern countries were certainly not behind us in science, mathematics and art - certainly in Mathematics - the ability of the world to be developed due to algebra - that originated in Baghdad

They literally just started repealing guardianship laws in Saudi. In iraq, lebanon and iran to mention just a few the minimum age for a girl to get married if they are shia is 9. 100 years ago women everywhere had minimal rights. Today in much of the world actual children are being legally married off. Acting like the west is comparable here is a nonsense. Saying women had minimal rights a hundred hundred years ago doesn’t excuse child marriage today,

TheGander · 19/05/2026 21:19

I heard the report. Billions have been spent on Afghanistan and thousands of lives lost and it’s reverted to feudalism and a ruthless control of women by men at every level of their lives within weeks. This is the unfortunate result, they need to learn that their level of religiosity ends in disaster. This might take them a couple of centuries but there’s not a lot the outside world can do.

EasternStandard · 19/05/2026 21:18

Foodgloriousfoodie · 19/05/2026 21:06

In feel like posters are being really short sighted and ignorant about history - women were still property of men here in England around 100 years ago and
had no legal rights and Middle Eastern countries were certainly not behind us in science, mathematics and art - certainly in Mathematics - the ability of the world to be developed due to algebra - that originated in Baghdad

That doesn’t help women and girls there now though.

Foodgloriousfoodie · 19/05/2026 21:06

Ihatetomatoes · 19/05/2026 20:58

I don't think many watched the report at all. She'll marry a relatives son, I'm not sure if arranged marriages are usual but the family member paid for her operation so she would live. I imagine the mother wasn't allowed to speak given the extreme islamist rules. Horrible conditions in which to try to survive. Totally alien from the world in which we live. The children really deserve better, now many can add severe food shortage to their misery.

In feel like posters are being really short sighted and ignorant about history - women were still property of men here in England around 100 years ago and
had no legal rights and Middle Eastern countries were certainly not behind us in science, mathematics and art - certainly in Mathematics - the ability of the world to be developed due to algebra - that originated in Baghdad

EmeraldShamrock000 · 19/05/2026 21:04

Ihatetomatoes · 19/05/2026 21:01

Animals are treated better in many places. Sadly, many countries have men that keep women pregnant and producing endless children in famine, in conflict, its horrible.

💯 I’d be happy to see the women and children managing to escape. It never is. The man are complicit. It’s a backwards mess.
The few women who do make on the boats to escape are raped or tossed over on route.

Bringemout · 19/05/2026 21:04

TheWordWomanIsTaken · 19/05/2026 18:55

So why do you think the relative didn't 'help out' his relatives with some money, as opposed to buying a female child?
Really, think about this?
Why wasn't a male child sold?
Really, think about why little girls are bought?
And yet the focus seemed to be on the 'poor' father.

Yes the concept of helping someone without demanding you be able to rape their small children seems to be beyond comprehension here.

To the poster who was talking about the Irish potato famine, selling your underage daughters has a long standing history in Afghanistan. It is not just in response to famine, it is a cultural habit. Yes there will be afghans who absolutely despise the practice but the idea that it is a response entirely to these circumstances is just not true.

Ihatetomatoes · 19/05/2026 21:01

EmeraldShamrock000 · 19/05/2026 20:57

I’m not sure what faith would be worse for her. No education, no music, repeated unplanned pregnancies or premature death.
Those dictators are in charge. They tiny windows of opportunity to change closed.
It isn’t only the dictators marrying children, it’s normal for many men to marry a child, impregnating her, until she dies young or he replaces her with a younger child bride.

Animals are treated better in many places. Sadly, many countries have men that keep women pregnant and producing endless children in famine, in conflict, its horrible.

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Ihatetomatoes · 19/05/2026 20:58

Foodgloriousfoodie · 19/05/2026 20:51

You mean dictators - they are not leader

the man decided better to give her a chance as she will die without the operation - she will go to live with the relative that will pay when she is 10 and be married to the son

I would take that risk and hope that something will change

I don't think many watched the report at all. She'll marry a relatives son, I'm not sure if arranged marriages are usual but the family member paid for her operation so she would live. I imagine the mother wasn't allowed to speak given the extreme islamist rules. Horrible conditions in which to try to survive. Totally alien from the world in which we live. The children really deserve better, now many can add severe food shortage to their misery.

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EmeraldShamrock000 · 19/05/2026 20:57

Foodgloriousfoodie · 19/05/2026 20:51

You mean dictators - they are not leader

the man decided better to give her a chance as she will die without the operation - she will go to live with the relative that will pay when she is 10 and be married to the son

I would take that risk and hope that something will change

I’m not sure what faith would be worse for her. No education, no music, repeated unplanned pregnancies or premature death.
Those dictators are in charge. They tiny windows of opportunity to change closed.
It isn’t only the dictators marrying children, it’s normal for many men to marry a child, impregnating her, until she dies young or he replaces her with a younger child bride.

Foodgloriousfoodie · 19/05/2026 20:55

OtterlyAstounding · 19/05/2026 14:14

I imagine his wife didn't get a say in finding a solution to the problem, seeing as she has no rights. Really though, is keeping their daughter alive just so she can be sold off to be raped at the age of 10, then bred like cattle, watch her children starve and die, and possibly die in childbirth herself, really a 'win'?

It's difficult to feel any sympathy for a man in Afghanistan. In fact, I have none. All my sympathy is with the women and girls who suffer the deprivations and depravities inflicted by men.

I think his wife is dead and he is trying to keep the family dying from hunger

you clearly don’t watch it before commenting so ignorantly

Foodgloriousfoodie · 19/05/2026 20:51

EmeraldShamrock000 · 19/05/2026 20:46

I personally would rather take the life of all my children before agreeing to sell my DD to an unimaginable future.
It’s horrendous that they’re starving but unsurprising when the country is ruled by leaders.

You mean dictators - they are not leader

the man decided better to give her a chance as she will die without the operation - she will go to live with the relative that will pay when she is 10 and be married to the son

I would take that risk and hope that something will change

OtterlyAstounding · 19/05/2026 20:50

HRTQueen · 19/05/2026 15:10

and where do these magical weapons come from where does the money come from refugees can not work

I would like to see more woman and children here too I think many of us would. Young men from many cultures (one I am from myself) the young men go abroad and are expected and most often do finance their family for the rest of their lives

I think you are really looking at this from a cosy western point of view

Life in Afghanistan is hell for the vast majority of people, certainly harsher on girls and women but that isn't down to all their fathers/husbands/brothers/uncles/sons they live under a regime that strips people of all there dignity, they live in terrible terrible poverty, they are just about existing. Yes its a deeply misogynistic culture but that can't change until people are free and safe to push for changes that is not possible for them right now

There are other ways to fight for change than violence. And single young women could send money back home just as easily, if they were sent away to work.

I'm looking at it from the point of view that nothing will ever change if the men who disagree with the misogyny just leave (and send money back to the trapped women and children). It only perpetuates the suffering. I'm not saying there's an easy solution, but it angers me.

Ihatetomatoes · 19/05/2026 20:50

Swiftie1878 · 19/05/2026 17:27

It’s a glib word to use. We should be proud and grateful to our forebears, not counting ourselves “lucky”.

Proud, grateful and lucky to be born here in the UK rather than in Afghanistan.

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Foodgloriousfoodie · 19/05/2026 20:49

OonaStubbs · 19/05/2026 16:36

I am tired of us in the West being expected to pay to solve all the world's problems.

unbelievable

we only have what we have because of the enforced sacrifices made by the developing world - the colonisation of their raw materials

we are the beneficiaries of those atrocities

EmeraldShamrock000 · 19/05/2026 20:46

I personally would rather take the life of all my children before agreeing to sell my DD to an unimaginable future.
It’s horrendous that they’re starving but unsurprising when the country is ruled by leaders.

Foodgloriousfoodie · 19/05/2026 20:46

Ihatetomatoes · 19/05/2026 20:41

I am wondering whether some posters actually watched the report, given sone responses.

Me too - I think saying “a man has had to sell his daughter” is being taken the wrong way

I’m astounded at the ignorance and unchecked privilege on this post

Foodgloriousfoodie · 19/05/2026 20:45

BorgQueen · 19/05/2026 19:11

Until the Men of Afghanistan find their balls and rise up to get rid of the Taliban, it will carry on. Every Clannish/ tribal society is the same, 500 years behind the developed world.

is that how you think it works?

do you think it was the common people who rose up and overthrew the king in England? It’s just that simple

the ignorance of your post astounds me

Ihatetomatoes · 19/05/2026 20:41

Foodgloriousfoodie · 19/05/2026 20:40

You need to watch it - then ask yourself what that man could do

I think then you’ll be ashamed of your response

I am wondering whether some posters actually watched the report, given sone responses.

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Foodgloriousfoodie · 19/05/2026 20:41

SpaceRaccoon · 19/05/2026 19:29

They probably like them just fine. Plus it's very handy to say you're fleeing them when you rock up at Dover in a dinghy.

I find your response hugely ignorant

Foodgloriousfoodie · 19/05/2026 20:40

Swiftie1878 · 19/05/2026 14:07

Wow. Sounds like a delightful family.
They're all as bad as each other.

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You need to watch it - then ask yourself what that man could do

I think then you’ll be ashamed of your response