To judge people for supporting MJ?

People are dense sometimes. Jimmy Saville was never convicted. OJ Simpson was found not guilty. Nicole Brown-Simpson’s family got a payout after her death, does that mean they were only interested in money, and OJ was not responsible for her death? Prince Andrew paid off his victim. Was Virginia Guiffre (RIP) just after his money? A shockingly high percentage of rapes go unpunished. Would you let your son share a bed with Michael Jackson? If not, why not? He was a child abusing creep. Who unfortunately was responsible for some absolute bangers.

How anyone could watch James Safechuck on Leaving Neverland and not believe him baffles me. Yes, there were inconsistencies, but they were young children. Children are not known for their accurate narration, or their ability to recall facts and dates. Especially if they have experienced extreme trauma. MJ possessed books containing pictures of naked children, filled his house with toys, had a couple of marriages of convenience to make himself appear normal and hung around with prepubescent boys, who he dropped when they aged out. Someone capable of shrewd business deals, and propelling themselves to be one of the most famous people on the planet is not “a boy trapped in a man’s body”. Absolutely gross.

Some people would if the alternative is to put your child through a trial in the full glare of the world’s attention.

You can’t read anything into settlements. It doesn’t tell you anything about either side.

If your child was sexually abused, would you just move on and be quiet about it as long as you got enough cash?

I guess he was never convicted? So some people think: no conviction, no problem

So many people just think the fact he's a pedophile is irrelevant or they just say 'it was never proved'. It's actually disgusting. Can't stand him or his music (or people that like him).

Peter Andre proudly put a picture on his FB that his son drew of MJ. Just odd. Why would you promote your children choosing a nonce to draw?

My son has seen the MJ movie and we had a discussion about why he would choose to support this film. I still don't understand it and he couldnt explain why.

Heartening to see 2/3 agree with you OP

I've realised there's an age range of people going WTF and I'm in it at 52 - a bit older and you heard the music and loved it before any of the allegations, a bit younger and the allegations stopped being mentioned because he died.
But those of us who lived through lurid headlines and the articles are reacting like Garry Glitter is back in fashion.
Utterly Baffled.
It's making me go back and rethink what I took on board back then and be more critical of what I took as truth but also suspicious and wary of the whitewash right now.

He was a difficult man to understand.

He caused a lot of his own misfortune.

All of us would not have children in our beds. I wouldnt do it anyway. It doesnt seem right

I ESPECIALLY wouldnt do it if i was famous and rich. As obviously people would be looking for stories on me, it could ruin my reputation and im leaving myself open to being sued

I EVEN more wouldnt go on camera and say "ive had lots of children in my bed" to martin bashir. What was he thinking. Of course that was going to lead to an investigation

He seemed to be so sure that what he was doing was right - that he lost all sense of reality and consequences

Whilst I agree it's not a crime in itself, I was saying it to show MJ can't be compared to teachers and other people who surround themselves with children on a daily basis. As it's nothing like the same thing at all!

I just want to check this. We all think that sharing a bed with a child that is not ours - is weird.

Is it a crime? It cant be classed as a crime or he would have been convicted for it. Seeing as he admitted to doing it on camera

What made me think he is innocent is that his doctor recorded mj while mj was heavily sedated on drugs.

Mj is rambling on. In the video, even while sedated, MJ is talking about wanting to help children because he understands them. He says that he wants to help them because he understands their pain. He understands them because he didnt have a childhood etc

I've heard people defend Jimmy Saville. There are bizarre people in this world ready to protect pedophiles and child abuse.

Would you let you underage sons share a bed with him then?

Yes, but have they admitted to sharing a bed with said children like MJ did?

I'm not so bothered about people continuing to enjoy the music or even watch the new film: throughout history art has been produced by terrible people, or at least people who have done pretty terrible things. I didn't stop loving Led Zeppelin's work when I learned about the 14 year old girl the guitarist was "in a relationship" with as an adult, I can't pretend I never watched Fight Club again after learning that Brad Pitt was violent and abusive to his family, etc.

But the recent push to pretend that Michael Jackson was actively trying to protect children from Epstein and was an innocent misunderstood hero rather than a very troubled man whose relationships with children were inappropriate at best and likely to have been actively predatory and abusive has been sickening.

@1975wasthebest no problem ! Thank you 😀 I’ve no idea about Tik-Tok, I suppose he could be making a few bob !

Even if he wasn’t a paedo (he was), he still liked to spend his time with random young children

So do teachers? And child entertainers? And people who volenteer at children's youth clubs ect.

I have no opinion on whether he was or wasn't. But to say someone's a peado because they like spending time with random children is bizarre.

Very sorry @SqueakyFromme , I wasn’t reading properly. I read he has 4 million subscribers on Tik Tok but no idea how that translates to profit.

She's talking about Michael Barrymore there

Agreed. I was referring to Michael Barrymore In reply to @Tcateh

Your OP sounds ignorant. Boy George is nowhere near as popular as he was 40 years ago, but he’s still doing gigs and DJ-ing. He had a book out two years ago, featured in Eurovision, so, no, he’s not “washed up”.

I thought you meant Mounjaro 😆

@Tcateh no he’s washed up, nobody would touch him with a barge pole now, OP says he does Tik-Tok so that says it all really

I did initially think he was definitely guilty but now having read/watched things from both sides I think he could actually be innocent. I don’t know for sure anyway but there is enough doubt for me to think it’s unfair to “cancel” him.
I used to be a big fan, I enjoy the music, he was incredibly talented. None of that has gone away.
I don’t idolise him though and he did do a lot of inappropriate things, he had a lot of issues obviously.
I don’t think it’s any of your business to judge people you don’t even know for going to see the film

Oh yeah, not regular TV tho?