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AIBU to think a junior probationer’s month abroad request is unreasonable?

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estrogone · 16/05/2026 12:43

We have a junior in our office who’s only been with us about three months and is still on probation, where the expectation is mostly office-based work. They briefly mentioned in passing at one point that they might travel overseas, but there was never any proper discussion or approval before the trip was booked.

They’ve now come back and advised the trip is already booked and confirmed for nearly a month overseas, in a time zone 10 hours away. They proposed a range of adjusted working arrangements, including shortened hours and overnight work, so they can continue working remotely while away.

I haven’t approved the shortened hours or alternative arrangements and have asked them to demonstrate how they realistically intend to maintain service levels and cope with working nights while effectively on holiday overseas.

I am a lot WTAF Confused to four weeks of leave for someone who has only been with the business a matter of months and is still in probation.

AIBU to think this is request is out of order?

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Helliephant · 18/05/2026 23:57

Who the hell takes a month long holiday on probation? 😆
Just let them go.
Why would you bother training a temp this early in? When this employee returns from their holiday this will always leave a bit of a sour taste in your mouth, especially the deceitful "end kf the day" Friday email that was sent just before you went on a week's leave.
And it will piss off your other employees who may start wondering why they cant just drop everything and jet off for a month too.
Nobody is irreplaceable - its not like your employee is slme kind of specialist surgeon

TheQueenOfTheNight · 18/05/2026 23:05

I'm surprised that you're not just getting rid of them. You can train someone up in your internal process, regulations, IT systems etc but this is about their core values and work ethic, and that's a lot harder to instill. Are they really such a star that it's worth damaging the morale of your existing staff? You may think the details of the arrangement are private, but your probationer may well be talking openly about it all.

Surely the first few months in a new job is when a new employee is at pains to show how competent, motivated and enthusiastic they are? If this is how they are now, what will they be like once they've passed probation?

ThisCosyGreenGuide · 18/05/2026 22:59

99bottlesofkombucha · 18/05/2026 22:48

You’re confused. Thats the new AI and robots that can work and party on holiday 24/7. People are still human and need sleep.

Some people do work night shifts and function as human beings outside the workplace you know

ThisCosyGreenGuide · 18/05/2026 22:57

99bottlesofkombucha · 18/05/2026 22:47

The technology is wonderful but I don’t believe it’s changed the basic human need for sleep. I have had team members work from abroad in slightly shifted time zones, I have worked on projects in different time zones, I have worked shifts in anti social hours both in person and remotely.what I have not done is do this simultaneously with a holiday, it’s not feasible.

Available for work 9pm to 5am as OP stated. Sleep 5am to midday or even 1pm. Then have 8 or 9 whole hours to spend as they wish whist abroad, not too dissimilar to what they do at home albeit shifted to another timezone. Perfectly achievable

Jamesblonde2 · 18/05/2026 22:49

Not passing the probationary period then! Cheeky sod.

99bottlesofkombucha · 18/05/2026 22:48

ThisCosyGreenGuide · 18/05/2026 22:15

The workplace has changed and I'm all for the up and coming generations smashing the status quo

You’re confused. Thats the new AI and robots that can work and party on holiday 24/7. People are still human and need sleep.

99bottlesofkombucha · 18/05/2026 22:47

ThisCosyGreenGuide · 18/05/2026 22:13

I didn't gloss over anything. I gave 2 examples of technology allowing people to connect for work purposes across time zones. I do it for my job on a daily basis and haven't set foot in our offices this year. It's you that is unwilling to accept that this is achievable.

When this junior said they were thinking of doing x was the time to nip it in the bud. You pay them a handsome wage, so no reason to think this wouldn't be affordable for them.

You didn't say explicitly that they could not consider a trip like that because of probation/leave/time zone challenges etc.

I think some self reflection could help you here. You didn't have a policy on working overseas. You didn't say no when it was first mooted. You underestimated the affordability of the trip. You assume the proposed schedule is not achievable. You refuse to accept that the technology we use everyday can facilitate this.

The technology is wonderful but I don’t believe it’s changed the basic human need for sleep. I have had team members work from abroad in slightly shifted time zones, I have worked on projects in different time zones, I have worked shifts in anti social hours both in person and remotely.what I have not done is do this simultaneously with a holiday, it’s not feasible.

SharpTooth · 18/05/2026 22:21

ThisCosyGreenGuide · 18/05/2026 22:15

The workplace has changed and I'm all for the up and coming generations smashing the status quo

The upcoming generations don’t need to sleep so can work through the night AND have a holiday?? They must be superhuman!

ThisCosyGreenGuide · 18/05/2026 22:15

Sunnyjac · 18/05/2026 22:00

I’m surprised some people are defending the employee. In no circumstance is it reasonable to book a holiday without explicit written approval from your line manager that you have permission to take that time as annual leave. It is also never going to be acceptable to take a month off in your probation period, when you’re meant to be there proving your worth. Coming up with some plan to work through the night in another time zone is ridiculous and shows a lack of understanding of the workplace.

The workplace has changed and I'm all for the up and coming generations smashing the status quo

ThisCosyGreenGuide · 18/05/2026 22:13

estrogone · 18/05/2026 21:51

I am not at all bitter.

I did not nip it in the bud because there was nothing to nip, it was a 1 minute - thinking of doing x - there was no question. I didnt give it a second thought as flights are horribly expensive and disrupted right now.

You completely glossed over my explanation why it would not be feasible to work at times other than the standard day. They are reasonable expectations of a well paid position. This person earns $92k a year - which whilst junior is not inconsequential.

I didn't gloss over anything. I gave 2 examples of technology allowing people to connect for work purposes across time zones. I do it for my job on a daily basis and haven't set foot in our offices this year. It's you that is unwilling to accept that this is achievable.

When this junior said they were thinking of doing x was the time to nip it in the bud. You pay them a handsome wage, so no reason to think this wouldn't be affordable for them.

You didn't say explicitly that they could not consider a trip like that because of probation/leave/time zone challenges etc.

I think some self reflection could help you here. You didn't have a policy on working overseas. You didn't say no when it was first mooted. You underestimated the affordability of the trip. You assume the proposed schedule is not achievable. You refuse to accept that the technology we use everyday can facilitate this.

TwinklySquid · 18/05/2026 22:08

estrogone · 18/05/2026 21:14

What a silly post. You seem intent on riling what is, a perfectly calm and measured thread.

Please do jog on.

Clearly I’ve hit a nerve 😂

Sunnyjac · 18/05/2026 22:00

I’m surprised some people are defending the employee. In no circumstance is it reasonable to book a holiday without explicit written approval from your line manager that you have permission to take that time as annual leave. It is also never going to be acceptable to take a month off in your probation period, when you’re meant to be there proving your worth. Coming up with some plan to work through the night in another time zone is ridiculous and shows a lack of understanding of the workplace.

estrogone · 18/05/2026 21:51

ThisCosyGreenGuide · 18/05/2026 21:37

By your own admission, they mentioned it in passing and you didn't nip it in the bud immediately and you dont have a wfh policy they could refer to before making plans.

You sound bitter because of your own lack of foresight here.

Without knowing the ins and outs of this specific role, covid taught us all that nobody needs to be in an office to do a job well. Meetings can take place online. Emails can be composed and scheduled to be sent at appropriate times of day.

Perhaps you would be better off hiring a robot or using AI.

I am not at all bitter.

I did not nip it in the bud because there was nothing to nip, it was a 1 minute - thinking of doing x - there was no question. I didnt give it a second thought as flights are horribly expensive and disrupted right now.

You completely glossed over my explanation why it would not be feasible to work at times other than the standard day. They are reasonable expectations of a well paid position. This person earns $92k a year - which whilst junior is not inconsequential.

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ThisCosyGreenGuide · 18/05/2026 21:37

estrogone · 18/05/2026 21:23

Spite has nothing to do with it. Telling me that they have booked a month off with zero formal consultation in advance is piss poor. It screams I couldn't give a toss about my job.

You are aware small businesses, in fact most businesses hire people to do actual work. This person is not window dressing- they have full days of meetings, reporting, correspondence which are client facing in this time zone. What should we do in their absence? Just forget they exist? If we could do that their role would be redundant. Then where would they be?

By your own admission, they mentioned it in passing and you didn't nip it in the bud immediately and you dont have a wfh policy they could refer to before making plans.

You sound bitter because of your own lack of foresight here.

Without knowing the ins and outs of this specific role, covid taught us all that nobody needs to be in an office to do a job well. Meetings can take place online. Emails can be composed and scheduled to be sent at appropriate times of day.

Perhaps you would be better off hiring a robot or using AI.

estrogone · 18/05/2026 21:23

ThisCosyGreenGuide · 17/05/2026 16:52

Why do you need to hard arse it? Is it because you would have been told no if you had asked when you were 25?

The junior has booked a trip and has offered suggestions on how to maintain their role whilst away as well as using annual leave.

In my role, we are given our years leave allocation upfront, if we were to leave the job before the leave year is up this would be factored into our final pay so I don't believe that should be a barrier here.

So other than spite, what reason do you have to decline the request?

If the junior fails to maintain the service the have indicated they would whilst away, take disciplinary action then. At least give the youngster a chance first.

Spite has nothing to do with it. Telling me that they have booked a month off with zero formal consultation in advance is piss poor. It screams I couldn't give a toss about my job.

You are aware small businesses, in fact most businesses hire people to do actual work. This person is not window dressing- they have full days of meetings, reporting, correspondence which are client facing in this time zone. What should we do in their absence? Just forget they exist? If we could do that their role would be redundant. Then where would they be?

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estrogone · 18/05/2026 21:14

TwinklySquid · 18/05/2026 14:59

If a junior employee going away for a month would threaten the livelihood of 14 other people, then you really need to look at your business practices. It would also mean that they weren’t quite as disposable as you made out.

I’m not sure why people like you ask for opinions on this board when you clearly have made your mind up.

What a silly post. You seem intent on riling what is, a perfectly calm and measured thread.

Please do jog on.

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Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 18/05/2026 21:11

TwinklySquid · 18/05/2026 20:21

They also aren’t from Australia. Different culture?

How does their culture mean anything only that they’d like to see their relatives? When you move to a western country you get to know about the culture of that country. I’ve worked with people from different countries and cultures and they didn’t assume they could wfh abroad or take unpaid leave shortly after starting the job. They valued their jobs and respected where they worked.

QuadrupleH · 18/05/2026 20:33

turkeyboots · 18/05/2026 20:24

Unpaid leave and restarting probation was going to be my suggestion. I'd start formalising things in writing asap, just in case.
And hope they quit while away.

Yeah I think thats incredibly fair. Allows the employee to show this is a one off misjudgement and they still really want the job yet also allows OP to guard against future dipshittery.

turkeyboots · 18/05/2026 20:24

Unpaid leave and restarting probation was going to be my suggestion. I'd start formalising things in writing asap, just in case.
And hope they quit while away.

TwinklySquid · 18/05/2026 20:21

cubistqueen · 18/05/2026 20:18

Again bollocks. 25 is not a young age to be in the workplace. If they don’t understand how a workplace works then they deserve to lose a job.

They also aren’t from Australia. Different culture?

cubistqueen · 18/05/2026 20:18

TwinklySquid · 18/05/2026 20:12

It’s almost like people have different experiences … weird that 🙄

Again bollocks. 25 is not a young age to be in the workplace. If they don’t understand how a workplace works then they deserve to lose a job.

bigboykitty · 18/05/2026 20:12

Age has nothing to do with it really. She's just a chancer. I've met them in all age groups.

TwinklySquid · 18/05/2026 20:12

cubistqueen · 18/05/2026 19:55

Bollocks. I’ve got a nearly 25 year old and she is definitely aware of what is acceptable and not in the workplace even though she is just starting her first job (trainee accountant). And my younger daughter who is currently working in hospitality whilst finishing her A levels which she first failed due to mental health issues that started during covid. She also understands how the workplace works. So 💁🏻

It’s almost like people have different experiences … weird that 🙄

cubistqueen · 18/05/2026 19:55

TwinklySquid · 17/05/2026 19:39

They would have likely started their career during Covid - so had limited actual work experience to see what is done/not.
Your brain also isn’t formed until 25

Bollocks. I’ve got a nearly 25 year old and she is definitely aware of what is acceptable and not in the workplace even though she is just starting her first job (trainee accountant). And my younger daughter who is currently working in hospitality whilst finishing her A levels which she first failed due to mental health issues that started during covid. She also understands how the workplace works. So 💁🏻

ParmaVioletTea · 18/05/2026 19:45

They have responded to day that they assumed a passing comment was implicit approval.

Longer term, this person sounds a bit arrogant, and a potentially problematic colleague.