Why do we put animals out of their misery but let humans suffer?

Suicide is not illegal in the UK. Hence the terminology change from ‘committed suicide’ to ‘ended their own life’. You cannot commit a legal act.

I want the choice to choose how I die. You and other people who are against it are taking away my choice. It is not fair for you to advocate for stopping me having that choice particularly when you appear to have zero evidence of why I should not be given the choice.

You stated that by me having a choice 'makes others less safe'. You admit you have nothing to back up this argument so why would you be against me having a choice?

People always make this comparison, and I don't understand it.

We also eat animals, forcibly breed them or sterilise them, and cull them. We treat animals and humans differently in many ways, and I don't think anyone would want to be treated the way the average animal is.

I do think it's terribly frustrating that people can't just load up on massive amounts of morphine to eliminate pain once they're in the last stages of a terminal disease though - after all, what's the risk? That it'll kill them? They're dying anyway! The risk seems like a reasonable one to take.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/627be27aeebc7620ee956da1/t/6742f6bae4bdc83efee3f5b6/1732441788287/Safeguarding+women+in+AD+The+OH.pdf

Here is one study for you as an example, in this case on the risks of assisted dying to women. One quote reads:

'Even if our law never widens beyond the terminally ill, safeguards
fail. Elsewhere, women with anorexia, disabilities and other
‘challenging’ female conditions have been funnelled into ‘assisted’
death. Providers of assisted death can and do coerce.'

Hopefully it will give you a small insight into one of the reasons why some people might object to this law.

I don't know what you're looking for.
I don't have stats to say that a law that hasn't been passed is unsafe, just as you don't have any to say that it is.
I can't prove conclusively that it isn't safe, just as you can't prove that it is.
What is it that you want to know?

So you don't have any facts then?

I have incurable cancer. I’m TERRIFIED of having to face a long lingering painful death. Neither do I want my young adult children see me suffer.

I'm basing it on the many objections raised by professionals in the field, including disability charities, individual advocates, professional bodies including the Association for Palliative Medicine, the Royal College of General Practitioners, Disability UK, the Royal College of Psychiatrists ...

I would very much welcome a choice that doesn't involving suffering or having to commit suicide.

You were asked to justify why you think assisted dying is unsafe through statistics and your answer is you don't have any statistics. What are you basing your 'unsafe' thinking on if you have no idea whether it is unsafe?

In the UK? None, because the law was not passed.
How can you make sure that an assisted dying law is safe?

Another one who is mixing up death with dying. This is not about the death itself. Its about ending life before they go through months of mental and physical trauma.

So the answer to that is to make sure it is safe, not to take my choice away.

What are the statistics of successful assisted dying processes against those you claim are not safe?

You are mixing up that momentary time of death and the longer process of someone dying. Assisted dying is about preventing people going through weeks or months of pain and mental trauma. The actual death is momentary and largely irrelevant.

Death is inevitable how ever you die. But the run up to it is the part we can intervene with and improve.

Because allowing you that choice makes other people less safe.

Murdered. 🤣🤣🤣

You haven't answered the question. Why do you think you should have a choice over how you die but I don't have a choice over how I die?

I agree, my poor dad died in hospital on a dementia ward. The last few weeks of his life were so sad. Last year my cat and dog were both put to sleep and died peacefully in my arms and I wished then that humans could have the same dignity.

I think that many people, possibly even most, agreed with assisted dying in principle. But there are major ethical concerns. For starters:
Abuse of system by families or carers
Deciding what illnesses or conditions you rule in or out
Rules can become overly permissive. Canada is a good example of this
Inclusion of mental health conditions would likely lead to further deterioration of already woeful mental health care in the UK.

So while I agree wholeheartedly that assisted dying is the way to go, at least for terminally ill people, the debate needs to be considered, wide-reaching and careful.

Mostly, but not always. There are documented cases where death has not been quick and painless, 47 in Canada alone.

So sorry for what you are going through. It’s horrible! I lost my mum from cancer when I was 24yo. So difficult. The doctors asked me brutal questions like “ would you like to keep giving food through drip to your mother or expedite death”. Horrific! The patient cannot obviously decide for themselves and the weight they put to the relatives is brutal. What do you answer to that?!?! The mother of a friend of mine decided to go to Switzerland for assisted death as she knew it was coming.

This is an outright lie.

Assisted dying is carried out in a number of countries using drugs and it gives a clean exit.

"Death cannot be made dignified" is just ridiculous. It's very possible to bring a dignified death by medical mens in contrast to some deaths, where the person exits in huge pain and distress.

Whatever your reason for opposing assisted dying, lying like this is deceitful and wrong.

How credible is it that life is really that worthwhile for people when they are nil by mouth and barely conscious, waiting to die (which is where my grandma was - dementia eventually stops you swallowing so you have to starve to death). Obviously, people might want to wait for nature to take its course for their own reasons, religious or otherwise, but surely people should be able to elect to receive an amount of pain relief sufficient to help them slip away quicker if needed at the same time as electing for a DNR or similar? Surely if doctors are removing a feeding tube or drip etc, then they are letting that person die anyway, the question is just what sort of death they have.

I'm not sure what my brother finally said to them. But it worked Didn't help it was COVID times ( which mum didn't have ,) and we were not allowed in

@Thechaseison71
That’s shocking. How did you finally make them to carry out your dm’s wishes?

Tried to ignore it