Angela Rayner's tax affairs

I was more discussing the ‘column inch’ versus the actual tax liability.
My point is that certain political figures are targeted while others get a comparably easy ride.

Again, you are promoting the idea that divorcing parents of a disabled child should pay stamp duty on their new home in a way that divorcing parents of able bodied children rarely do.

Again I suggest separate the politics from the policy - I would say some transitional model is needed.

Your desperation to promote Rayner as a deliberate tax dodger is a quite separate issue. Lets look at Hunt who “forgot” to pay in excess of 100k stamp duty when flipping properties in a far less complex situation and I believe it overlapped with his job as Chancellor. Funny how little attention that has received here.

You were the one who bought in your own situation, therefore inviting comment on it.

Its utterly ridiculous for anyone to suggest HMRC is corrupt over the AR issue.

Hers was a complex issue, they accept she made a genuine mistake as have i on 2 separate SA returns, both occasions HMRC just asked for the additional monies owed.

Go and have a read of the European or US papers, and see how many articles there are on Angela Rayner's tax error.

No requirement by HMRC for an individual to get expert advice or any advice, didn't she also go to Govt tax experts in house?

She amended the info given to HMRC, it would be usual for no fine to be issued.

Yes you re right, there is a pattern, Labour Women get scrutinised to the nth degree... to the extent that things get made up.

We don't know AR has paid the £40k she owed for tax. We don't know sh has not had a fine. HMRC won't confirm it meaning she could be lying. She might have had a fine and we will never know. She had a similar issue around council tax non payment years before so there is a pattern there. Whether she paid to take expert tax advice was down to her, she was advised to buy didn't.

Agree… and perhaps the newspaper as well!

it’s a disgrace, on two separate occasions she was told to get legal advice; she did not but somehow this was reasonable and not careless?

for a normal member of the public there would be fines and interest.

at the best this is special treatment and at worse, corruption.

OP you have my sympathy for being on the receiving end of the usual sledgehammer to crack a nut treatment. We don’t all get the white glove handling like Angela!

As anything with HMRC, all that matters is how aggressive and knowledgable you or your advisors are as go whether you are penalised.

I wanted to bring some balance

There are lots of grey areas in tax and I would expect most people who have been working in the area a long time would’ve had disputes with them.

and yes, you sometimes need aggression. We are currently sponsoring sector level lobbying for an exemption to a gift aiding technicality. Plenty of advisers can out smart HMRC, that’s how you get what you need.

im obvious not talking about someone phoning up asking for an extension on their self assessment.

You don't need to be aggressive. I have never felt the need to be aggressive in any of my dealings with HMRC and I have argued with them over quite a bit!

Whether you are penalised or not rests entirely on the facts of the matter at hand. Not how difficult you're making life for them.

You can also be as knowledgeable as you like but if you're in the wrong you'll still be penalised...

Well, you did, months to get your SA return in, the £100 fine is very well known about, so unless you were in hospital for 8 or 9 months, then you ve no excuse.

HMRC do allow for genuine mistakes, esp if the mistake/error is then notified to HMRC by the tax payer.

We’re talking about corporations negotiating.

3 years ago.

Long story but HMRC were professional, efficient and listened.

Again, that is your opinion. And that is all it is. There's far better talent in the Conservative Party.

Eh? What do you mean? When was the last time you paid the wrong tax and negotiated the outcome with HMRC?

That’s what I mean. As anything with HMRC, all that matters is how aggressive and knowledgable you or your advisors are as go whether you are penalised. That’s what the public should be aware of, not desperate for one member of the public to be fined when HMRC have decided not to.

Corporations, individuals, and trustees may file amended CT600s, SA100s, or SA900s (tax returns as applicable) up to 12 months from submission of their initial return without penalty.

HMRC may charge late payment interest on underpaid tax that arises as a result, but they won't issue a penalty for an amended return as long as it is within the 12 month window.

Individuals and trusts (I'm less knowledgeable for companies) can file amended returns even further back using the voluntary disclosure facility. In this case, HMRC may well issue penalties but they do not always, it does depend on the circumstances.

IMe corporations are allowed to correct without fine regularly. I have done this many times in my career

Minor slip up by Kemi. She is clearly a very well articulated intelligent individual. She regularly wipes the floor with Starmer when she debates with him. Rayner by comparison has consistently demonstrated that she lacks any intellectual depth when she’s had to stand in for Starmer. She’s not pm material. Not even close to it. Kemi very definitely is.

i have literally no idea what you mean. I don’t have a nerve that gets triggered by the uks lack of international importance.

of course you are

its the persons responsibility to make sure forms are completed correctly

Oh dear, hit a nerve did I? 🤪

We've got a problem going back 4 years, despite using an accountant. So far the fines are in the £000s. The issue doesn't even result in us paying any money! But they have taken till October last year to actually tell us what we allegedly hadn't done....it appears that their system cannot pick up once piece of info from the accountant system!!! They have even told him that...