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AIBU to find drag on mainstream TV disrespectful to women?

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sanctuaryyi · 12/05/2026 11:20

AIBU to think that drag is derogative woman face and unacceptable.

Women are oppressed by men, for example;

  • 1 in 4 women will be raped by a man in their lifetime.
  • Men generally hold most of the power and wealth, 90% of the ultra-wealthy in the world are men.
  • Men are less likely to experience sexual harassment and often have more freedom of movement without fear of violence.
  • Men are generally free from unpaid caring roles
  • Women are more likely to be objectified by men and valued for their body and youth whereas men are not and this creates a power imbalance.

With this in mind AIBU to think drag on main stream TV such as this 'artist' is totally unacceptable.

He has made fun and a jokes about lactation in grotesque fashion, squeezing cream out of his huge fake tits into a cup and has made fun of pregnancy and wears comedy size 'tits' and 'arse'.

The portrayal of any group's body or bodily functions in a grotesque manner for humour should surely be considered unacceptable, particularly when it mirrors historical patterns of oppression. Shouldn't it?

The link is twitter
Drag Race

For those that don't have twitter I have added some screen shots.

AIBU to find drag on mainstream TV disrespectful to women?
AIBU to find drag on mainstream TV disrespectful to women?
AIBU to find drag on mainstream TV disrespectful to women?
AIBU to find drag on mainstream TV disrespectful to women?
AIBU to find drag on mainstream TV disrespectful to women?
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OtterlyAstounding · 12/05/2026 12:32

Dollymylove · 12/05/2026 12:29

Perhaps they did switch off the minstrel show. Thats their prerogative

So just to be clear, you don't have an issue with either drag, or minstrel shows being broadcast?

OtterlyAstounding · 12/05/2026 12:30

sanctuaryyi · 12/05/2026 12:27

I agree with this although there was a little bit of ageism involved in some of the character's played by Les Dawson and Hinge and Bracket. But in general terms towards older women it was fine.

Really though, it's just unnecessary, huge tits or not. Just as blackface is distasteful even if they're not doing an offensive portrayal of black people.

The only time men need to do 'acts' as women is if boys at a single sex school are putting on a play, and need someone to play the female character.

Dollymylove · 12/05/2026 12:29

OtterlyAstounding · 12/05/2026 12:27

Then why do they emulate female secondary sexual characteristics, and have 'she' and 'her' used in reference to them?

Perhaps people should've just 'switched off' the minstrel shows?

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Perhaps they did switch off the minstrel show. Thats their prerogative

DilettanteRedRagger · 12/05/2026 12:28

sanctuaryyi · 12/05/2026 12:24

We also live in a world where women in some countries are treated like they are dirty for their natural periods, they are made to sleep in the outhouses with no sanitation until their period is over. Their bodily functions seen as disgusting. And her is a man depicting women's bodily functions as grotesque and something to laugh about.

With this in mind do you still think it's ok for men, any men, to depict women's bodily functions in a grotesque way for laughs. The bodily function of breast feeding to me isn't something that is funny, especially depicted in such an awful way. Dehumanising.

You seem to have grossly misunderstood me.

My point: they think they’re punching sideways, but they’re actually punching downwards. So yes, it would be exactly like a white woman mocking a black woman. It’s a power dynamic. Hope this clarifies it for @MrCollinsandhisboiledpotatoes as well?

OtterlyAstounding · 12/05/2026 12:27

Dollymylove · 12/05/2026 12:24

Drag shows are very popular entertainment. The proper professional Drag queen's arent pretending be women, they are playing a part.
If you dont want to see it on TV there is an off button to switch it off

Then why do they emulate female secondary sexual characteristics, and have 'she' and 'her' used in reference to them?

Perhaps people should've just 'switched off' the minstrel shows?

sanctuaryyi · 12/05/2026 12:27

MrsShawnHatosy · 12/05/2026 12:22

Also same with Dick Emery, Stanley Baxter and Hinge & Bracket. None of them wore huge fake boobs.

I agree with this although there was a little bit of ageism involved in some of the character's played by Les Dawson and Hinge and Bracket. But in general terms towards older women it was fine.

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MrCollinsandhisboiledpotatoes · 12/05/2026 12:25

DilettanteRedRagger · 12/05/2026 12:13

There are so many added layers to this. All the contestants on the last episode I watched of Drag Race were homosexual men - if you’re a man and your whole social circle prioritizes men, then yes, women are going to be seen as a group that it’s acceptable to mock. “we’re oppressed too!” Maybe you are, but heterosexual men don’t target your group for SA and rape the way women have been historically targeted. And that makes the humour very different - they think it’s punching sideways, but it’s really punching down, and good humour used to involve punching “up.”

Even if it is punching sideways, it's not Ok. If you're beside us, then stand with us. Don't mock and degrade us.

sanctuaryyi · 12/05/2026 12:25

MrsShawnHatosy · 12/05/2026 12:22

Also same with Dick Emery, Stanley Baxter and Hinge & Bracket. None of them wore huge fake boobs.

I agree with this entirely

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sanctuaryyi · 12/05/2026 12:24

DilettanteRedRagger · 12/05/2026 12:13

There are so many added layers to this. All the contestants on the last episode I watched of Drag Race were homosexual men - if you’re a man and your whole social circle prioritizes men, then yes, women are going to be seen as a group that it’s acceptable to mock. “we’re oppressed too!” Maybe you are, but heterosexual men don’t target your group for SA and rape the way women have been historically targeted. And that makes the humour very different - they think it’s punching sideways, but it’s really punching down, and good humour used to involve punching “up.”

We also live in a world where women in some countries are treated like they are dirty for their natural periods, they are made to sleep in the outhouses with no sanitation until their period is over. Their bodily functions seen as disgusting. And her is a man depicting women's bodily functions as grotesque and something to laugh about.

With this in mind do you still think it's ok for men, any men, to depict women's bodily functions in a grotesque way for laughs. The bodily function of breast feeding to me isn't something that is funny, especially depicted in such an awful way. Dehumanising.

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Dollymylove · 12/05/2026 12:24

Drag shows are very popular entertainment. The proper professional Drag queen's arent pretending be women, they are playing a part.
If you dont want to see it on TV there is an off button to switch it off

Upstartled · 12/05/2026 12:23

All this punching up, down and sideways is ridiculous. It's nothing but misogyny, no matter who is doing it.

MrsShawnHatosy · 12/05/2026 12:22

AgentPidge · 12/05/2026 11:54

Paul O'Grady as Lily Savage certainly said "she" was a woman, or rather, "one of the girls". That kind of humour - and Les Dawson in drag - is pretty harmless though. Dame Edna too. We all knew they were playing a character and they were very funny. Same with panto dames.

The new drag though is a long way from them, I think. I find it extremely distasteful. The pics the OP has posted - hardly Les Dawson, is it?

YANBU, OP.

Also same with Dick Emery, Stanley Baxter and Hinge & Bracket. None of them wore huge fake boobs.

sanctuaryyi · 12/05/2026 12:20

DilettanteRedRagger · 12/05/2026 12:13

There are so many added layers to this. All the contestants on the last episode I watched of Drag Race were homosexual men - if you’re a man and your whole social circle prioritizes men, then yes, women are going to be seen as a group that it’s acceptable to mock. “we’re oppressed too!” Maybe you are, but heterosexual men don’t target your group for SA and rape the way women have been historically targeted. And that makes the humour very different - they think it’s punching sideways, but it’s really punching down, and good humour used to involve punching “up.”

Please could you answer this question because if it's ok for those men to mock women because they are gay and oppressed themselves then, as white women are oppressed too, do you think it would be ok for white women to dress up on main stream TV and mock/parody black women in an inaccurate stereotype of how some white women see black women for laughs? Because that is exactly what this is.

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sanctuaryyi · 12/05/2026 12:17

QuintadosMalvados · 12/05/2026 12:06

Well yeah Paul. O'Grady referred to her as she but so what? When not in character, he was a man.
Barry Humphries was the same about Dame Edna. All part of the joke.
All I'm saying is that not all drag is offensive, maybe the newer stuff is, I agree.

I don't see the link between Dame Edna, Lily Savage, Cissy and Ada, Hinge and Bracket and men raping women.

The link is that men oppress women, still today we have to make decisions and change our behaviour because of male oppression.

For example getting a taxi home even if you want to walk because you are worried about being attacked by a man. Or choosing to get into a particular train carriage simply because the other one had a lone male in it. Or keeping quiet and keeping your head down on the street when you are a young teen when men heckle at you.

So when that sex class depict women as exaggerated body parts for laughs and exaggerated bodily functions for laughs it becomes unacceptable because they oppress that same sex class every day.

The link is how men, as a sex class treat women generally, and then parody us through their own lens on main stream TV

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Whatisthisdamnednonsense · 12/05/2026 12:15

Grim
Grim
Grim

Should have no place on TV in 2026

DilettanteRedRagger · 12/05/2026 12:13

sanctuaryyi · 12/05/2026 11:59

Sorry, I probably wasn't clear enough.

When you have a sex class (men) that are statistically a danger to the other sex class (women) and part of that danger is the fact that many men see women through their own lens of a collection of body parts for their own gain.
For example we know that at least 1 in 4 women will be raped by a man in their lifetime simply because they are biologically women.

When men dress as women and grotequely depict women's body parts and bodily functions as something to laugh about I think the comedy is steeped in misogyny.

There are so many added layers to this. All the contestants on the last episode I watched of Drag Race were homosexual men - if you’re a man and your whole social circle prioritizes men, then yes, women are going to be seen as a group that it’s acceptable to mock. “we’re oppressed too!” Maybe you are, but heterosexual men don’t target your group for SA and rape the way women have been historically targeted. And that makes the humour very different - they think it’s punching sideways, but it’s really punching down, and good humour used to involve punching “up.”

almondflake · 12/05/2026 12:07

I agree with you, i have always hated this kind of drag , I believe as you that it mocks women and in the past few years it’s become worse .

sanctuaryyi · 12/05/2026 12:07

QuintadosMalvados · 12/05/2026 11:47

Yabu to think that all the things you list, while ranging from not good to downright horrible, have got anything to do with drag, though.

Just don't see the connection.

The things I listed are things that happen to women by men as a sex class.

That same sex class is on main stream TV depicting women as a sum of a pair of tits and milk squirting from them for laughs.

I'd like to ask if you think it would be ok for white women to dress up on main stream TV and mock/parody black women in an inaccurate stereotype of how some white women see black women for laughs? Because that is exactly what this is.

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rwalker · 12/05/2026 12:06

FatterthanBarbie · 12/05/2026 11:55

Who watches this crap. It's not even funny. There must be a demand for it as otherwise they'd stop.

It puzzles me who the target audience is
generally women hate it
can’t see men being interested
most of my gay friends hate drag

QuintadosMalvados · 12/05/2026 12:06

AgentPidge · 12/05/2026 11:54

Paul O'Grady as Lily Savage certainly said "she" was a woman, or rather, "one of the girls". That kind of humour - and Les Dawson in drag - is pretty harmless though. Dame Edna too. We all knew they were playing a character and they were very funny. Same with panto dames.

The new drag though is a long way from them, I think. I find it extremely distasteful. The pics the OP has posted - hardly Les Dawson, is it?

YANBU, OP.

Well yeah Paul. O'Grady referred to her as she but so what? When not in character, he was a man.
Barry Humphries was the same about Dame Edna. All part of the joke.
All I'm saying is that not all drag is offensive, maybe the newer stuff is, I agree.

I don't see the link between Dame Edna, Lily Savage, Cissy and Ada, Hinge and Bracket and men raping women.

DreamyScroller · 12/05/2026 12:04

Don't agree based on your list of victimhood points for women, but agree that drag is a perverse and grotesque mockery of women and has no place on mainstream TV.

Upstartled · 12/05/2026 12:02

Yes, you are right, op. It's the monstrous imitation of this kind of drag that displays nothing but contempt for women.

MrCollinsandhisboiledpotatoes · 12/05/2026 12:01

I have always thought this.

Drag mocks women. We are being mocked by men - our historical oppressors.

Drag is as bad as blackface and you will not convince me otherwise

sanctuaryyi · 12/05/2026 12:01

ToKittyornottoKitty · 12/05/2026 11:50

I don’t really understand your ‘women are oppressed by men’ list in relation to drag - by that logic surely you’d think men need banning from main stream tv. I haven’t clicked your link though

Men are welcome on main stream TV as long as they don't grotesquely portray women's bodily functions and body parts the way only some men see (but no women) them for laughs

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Aliceinmunsnetland · 12/05/2026 12:00

FatterthanBarbie · 12/05/2026 11:55

Who watches this crap. It's not even funny. There must be a demand for it as otherwise they'd stop.

There are some real morons out there, who would be slightly more intelligent if they had full lobtomonies