AIBU? Hantavirus Liverpool

Landfill site, yes. When the ornithological enthusiasts who were the original infected couple (the Schilperoords from the Nederlands) were in Argentina on March 27, they visited a landfill four miles outside the city of Ushuaia to try and spot a rare owl.

Bird watching on a rubbish dump? Yeah, right.

Good point.

I mean, I wouldn't be worried about it on the personal level - but the shambolic, uncordinated response globally is not exactly reassuring in regards to how the world will handle the next pandemic (of something far more contagious than hantavirus) that does occur.

Regarding the number of passengers and crew who disembarked earlier:

"Authorities around the world are racing to trace dozens of passengers who disembarked from the cruise ship at the centre of a deadly hantavirus outbreak before isolation measures were implemented.

It emerged for the first time on Thursday that at least 29 passengers of 12 nationalities left the MV Hondius on 24 April after the first fatality, prompting a scramble to identify and track their movements since then."

Global race under way to trace passengers who left hantavirus ship before outbreak confirmed | Hantavirus | The Guardian

"Thirty-four passengers and crew had disembarked MV Hondius before the outbreak was identified, including some who left the cruise at St Helena, and have been contacted and advised to self-monitor for symptoms."

First passengers disembark the hantavirus-hit cruise ship with Australians to leave last, bound for Perth - ABC News

"The luxury cruise, Oceanwide Expeditions, said in a statement 114 guests and 61 crew members from 22 countries boarded the vessel, but 32 guests disembarked at St Helena on 24 April.

About 150 passengers and crew from 28 countries are reported to have initially been aboard the vessel, but dozens got off on the island of St Helena on 24 April."

Hantavirus cruise ship: race to trace passengers who disembarked before outbreak

From the gov.uk website linked to earlier. It SHOULD be considered airborne and transmission is possible in the prodromal phase (before synptoms) so yeah sending yhem.home after 3 days and asking them.to isolate is a potential recipe for disaster.

*It is unclear how human-to-human transmission of ANDV occurs, but it appears that close contact with an infected person is necessary, and airborne transmission should be considered a possibility. Close contact with infected cases within a household setting has been shown to increase the risk of transmission tenfold and transmission often occurs in family clusters.

Epidemiological studies suggest that human-to-human transmission can occur during the prodromal phase. In late 2018, an outbreak occurred in Chubut province, Argentina. A single suspected symptomatic index case attended a party in Epuyén where secondary transmission is thought to have occurred.

In total there were 34 confirmed cases, including 11 deaths, and 142 people were placed in quarantine*

Yes, I was just googling to see that. What was reported that I saw mentioned and then read a few reports on was she that had had brief contact with the evacuated passenger, exhibited mild symptoms, and was hospitalised.

All the rest stands. And I did not read it in the Daily Mail!

If you want to sound cool you say you are a scouser. If you want to sound posh you say you are from the Wirral. There are plenty of million pound houses with swimming pools 100 meters from Arrow Park and all the diversity and culture in the world over the Mersey.

The flight attendant has had two negative test results.

Don't be daft. They'll be retired. They won't have to work. Who else goes on a cruise for 3 or 4 weeks?

Um, no. The BBC website.

No, you're rather uninformed, having taken all your information from the Daily Mail.

What do you expect though?

I hate to say it but that's actually the reason they are going to arrowe park. Its got and A&E dept, accommodation on site but separate to the main hospital. And if they test positive they'll use the LSTM

It is Merseyside! And the park is rather nice actually!

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/andes-hantavirus-epidemiology-outbreaks-and-guidance
This is a bit muddled, but suggests it is airborne.

These people probably paid a lot of money for that cruise that was supposed to be a trip of a lifetime. Instead they ended up trapped on a plague ship with an incurable disease running amok. Plus the inconvenience of having to isolate for 45+ days. What it they need to go to work?. Who is going to pay their salary? In their place I would be looking for someone to sue.

That's not correct. Humans caught it from other humans on the ship. 30 odd people left the ship before the outbreak was confirmed (due to the 3 week incubation period), coming into contact with God knows how many people as they subsequantly flew around the World.

You are forgetting the plane loads of people travelling from plague infested Europe who were very surprised that there were absolutely no suggestions for wearing masks, isolating and avoiding crowds when they landed in the UK, and the Cheltenham festival when people from all over the country mingled for several days infecting each other before travelling home on trains or in cars making sure they stopped off at Motorway service stations en route.

Why, because you’re a Southern snowflake?

Yep. From the Guardian:

"Greece’s health ministry said a male evacuee will spend 45 days in mandatory hospital quarantine in Athens. Authorities said the man will be placed in a specially prepared negative-pressure chamber at Attikon university hospital.
In Spain, 14 citizens will be placed in biosafety isolation beds at the Gómez Ulla military hospital in Madrid." etc

"The Philippines government has confirmed 38 Filipino seafarers working on the ship will quarantine in Rotterdam before repatriation home.
India confirmed that two of its nationals on board the ship, working as crew, had been evacuated to the Netherlands where they will be quarantined."

Australia, for three weeks in a quarantine facility, as per previous post.

UK and US, 72 hours! Then off you trot.

The Australian passengers are being flown to a purpose-built quarantine facility like a massive hospital army barracks, otherwise empty, where they will be in quarantine for three weeks - and then they can return home to self-isolate.

You're rather uninformed. The first two deaths from the virus were a couple who visited a bird-watching site on a rubbish dump, whose rats are thought to be the source of the initial infection.

It is not a new strain. The strain local to the Andes, that is transmitted human to human, is the one they are infected with. I don't know where you imagine the ship was, but they were travelling through South America.

A flight attendant who can only have had brief contact with one of the infected passengers before she was deemed to sick to travel and removed from the plane is said to be infected and in hospital. Some say 20, some say 30, some say more passengers disembarked long before any of this became news and travelled to all parts of the globe and are being rather clumsily traced...

I wouldn't be getting too anxious about it myself, but it is a little alarming.

Tell me you don’t understand that all viruses are different without telling me all viruses are different

After Covid, why take any risks? The consequences of the virus spreading would be absolutely devastating.