To think we don’t know how lucky we are under Starmer.

I don't think you know what the CPS (headed by the DPP) is or does.

It does not conduct investigations, nor can it instruct police to open an investigation.

Where a police force has performed an investigation, it can refer their findings/materials to the CPS. The CPS will ultimately make a determination whether or not to prosecute (based on factors like whether the available evidence is sufficient to potentially secure protection).

Even if Starmer had any personal suspicions concerning Saville, he would have no ability to act on them.

In fact, you would be in a better position than the DPP to conduct an investigation, as a member of the public. If the DPP/CPS attempted to do so (or order the police to do so) that would be unlawful (and a constitutional‑level scandal for breaching the core doctrine of police operational independence).

To the extent Starmer bears any responsibility, it is institutional rather than personal - i.e., he has ultimate responsibility for ensuring adequate systems are in place (but, even then, is not responsible for how staff exercise their discretion within those systems). In terms of actual prosecutorial decisions, the DPP is only involved in a tiny fraction of those - when specifically referred to them.

The systems themselves were long-established - Starmer had only been in the role for a year - and when the potential missed opportunity re. Saville came to light, he oversaw a review of what went wrong and the implementation of systemic improvements.

Starmer could have done more and you will never convince me otherwise is basically an admission that you don't care about the facts, just personal prejudices.

Is that aimed at me?
Even at 7 years old the man totally creeped me out. I would have been the last kid to apply for that shower of shit programme.

Someone didn't get their request for Jim'll Fix It...

So you truly believe that Starmer knew nothing about Jimmy Savile's antics?
And also that the head of the CPS was not aware of any allegations, particularly such high profile ones?
As the very head of the CPS, the buck stops with him, that's the point of being in charge.
As a youngster I knew that there was something very wrong about Jimmy Savile so it clearly doesn't take a genious.
As far as your point about no documented allegations of abuse after 2009, that gave Savile around a year to continue his horrendous crimes. Smashing.
Starmer could have done more and you will never convince me otherwise. Having said that so could a lot of other people including Thatcher.

Starmer failed to take any action against Savile
How could he have?

The police made a referral (re. 4 historic abuse claims) to the CPS in late 2009.

The reviewing lawyer made a decision not to pursue charges.

The reviewing lawyer could (and should) have escalated the matter up the chain of command, which could ultimately have resulted in a refferal to the DPP, but did not.

Nobody can act on something they don't know about.

That Starmer, nor anyone else above the reviewing lawyer, was not informed of the case, has been extensively documented.

Boris Johnson, of course, made an allegation that Starmer "failed to prosecute" Saville, which was widely condemned by Tory officials as being indefensible, demand that Johnson apologize, and prompted Johnson's own policy manager to resign in protest.

All to say, the suggestion that Starmer bore any personal responsibility is widely known to be baseless, and a disgusting one to make (both for the falsity of it, and the bad-faith explotation of horrendous crimes).

Incidentally, re. "Savile was free to abuse god knows how many people as he saw fit" - there are no documented allegations of abuse after 2009.

Sorry to bombard this thread with posts, but this thread is the most sensible take on the situation I have yet to see pretty much anywhere.

This. I've been saying this for years now.

Amen. You are so right.

He has done alot of positive things for families, especially lower income ones like mine, so he gets my vote 👍

I've not come across that website.
Thanks @TeaCupTinsel

I totally agree with what you have said about the Winter Fuel Allowance. Ridiculous that they U-turned on that. It is another example of the press drumming up ridiculous images of freezing pensioners, rather than doing anything old fashioned like researching and reporting on factual facts. Ludicrous that some of the wealthiest people automatically get given a Winter Fuel Allowance, when, overwhelmingly it is their children and grandchildren struggling with the cost of living more than them.

It's well known. HH advocated for the Paedophile Information Exchange in the 70s/80s. She also advised that "child porn" laws should be loosened. This is settled fact. Nor has she apologised for this.

As always, it's a bit more nuanced than that.

It's well known. HH advocated for the Paedophile Information Exchange in the 70s/80s. She also advised that "child porn" laws should be loosened. This is settled fact. Nor has she apologised for this.

Her opinions on transwomen being women and her nonsense take on the SCJ are all publicly available. All this has been pulled out of storage and rehashed recently since her appointment (I'm old and knew it anyway) but how have you missed this?

👏Don't forget all the freebies he took from glasses for passes, dresses for his wife, suits, weekend breaks in a penthouse, Arsenal tickets, tickets for pop concerts etc etc

He makes constant U turns. He can't control his back benchers. He's a useless leader. I'll be happy if he goes.

What obvious reasons? Harriet Harman PIE will give you your answers

Please expand on this.
He was the head of the Crown Prosecution Service and Director of Public Prosecutions when Savile was alive.
Savile was free to abuse god knows how many people as he saw fit.
Starmer failed to take any action against Savile and he went to his grave a free man.
These are facts, not deranged nonsense.
Please tell me what part of the above is untrue.

Quite.

HMRC are not in the habit of commenting on anyone’s tax affairs, as I understand it. I hope that’s correct, and I extend that wish to the tax affairs of the country’s slimiest - amongst whom I do not number Angela Rayner.

I feel sure you are not the only cynic here and that AR knows this. I daresay that if she wants to advance politically she will release something to satisfy any reasonable person.

Literally news broke he’s resigned as I posted last post

Rayner aside, how does Streeting still have his job, it’s a bit like. Caesar telling Brutus he has every confidence in him as he stabbed him in the back

Has she?

All I have seen is that Angela Rayner has paid the £40,000 outstanding tax, and she says she has been exonerated, which is very different.

Until I see a statement from HMRC, I'll reserve judgement.

@TeaCupTinselTHANK YOU so much for rhe Full Facts site link. Very interesting!
8 agree that this is entirely the wrong time to attempt to oust KS who has been doing a steady job in difficult times. We'll regret it!

Correction: Angela Rayner has just been cleared by HMRC

Angela Rayner was already cleared ofctax dodging by HMRC and has just been cleared by Parliament.

Oh, Angela Rayner has just been cleared by HMRC. She has paid the stamp duty she was due, but that is all.