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To think we don’t know how lucky we are under Starmer.

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SevenYellowHammers · 11/05/2026 19:50

Russia have a mad despot who is responsible for the deaths of Russians and Ukrainians and has caused untold damage on the world’s environment and economy. But he’s still in power.

The USA have a mad despot who’s causing deaths worldwide and has started a war he can’t win causing untold damage to the world’s economy and environment. But he’s still in power.

Israel have a mad despot who is committing genocide and putting Jewish people at risk across the world. But he’s still in power.

In the UK, we have a dull bloke who’s doing his best to stand up to the mad despots while not leading us into war. And we’re all trying to get rid of him.

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SevenYellowHammers · 12/05/2026 07:11

nam3c4ang3 · 11/05/2026 23:48

Blimey, you had to dig deep for that. Yes, PIE was a shameful organisation that did much to destabilise equality rights. Most of this happened before HH was involved in the NCCL, although she admitted she should have opposed the group more vehemently than she did, she was very clear on her abhorrence to it. The BBC article you’ve provided is about the Daily Mail attempting to besmirch the Labour Party but you know, if you feel strongly about it, why not raise your concerns to the police and ask them to conduct a thorough investigation into the matter?

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OvernightBloats · 12/05/2026 07:11

Cheeseandcrumpetsyumyum · 12/05/2026 01:20

For information, 60 million people did not vote for the Labour Party with Sir Keir Starmer as leader.

The Labour Party won with 33.7% of the total votes cast. Also remember that many of those eligible to vote did not do so.

So the country did not overwhelmingly support Starmer's Labour Party. Quite a lot of those votes were in protest at the Tories' record.

Starmer may not do so badly on the International stage but if he can't control his backbenchers and make the much needed welfare reform changes and bowed to them and ditched the 2 child UC benefit cap when it was very popular with the voting public who wished to keep it, why should he keep his position?

Then on top of that he appoints untrustworthy people like Mandelson, whilst ignoring all the warnings given to him. And then blames and fires others for his poor decisions.

Such inept behaviour from a former human rights lawyer! But then again he has forgotten his past career and now overlooks human rights and international law abuses and let's them go unchallenged when it suits him.

This is why he should be considering his position.

He has no backbone. The public sees that and his own backbenchers sees that.

So unless he has a total personality change and finds some charisma from somewhere he should be gone.

However, the Labour Party backbenchers seem to be very keen on self destructing if they think the public will vote for a more left leaning Party fronted by the likes of Ed Miliband or Angela Rayner! Even Andy Burnham will not change their fortunes if he won't take serious steps to reform welfare and align the numbers eligible to receive it with the European average, which is way, way lower than the in the UK.

Exactly this.

Starmer is facing a rebellion from his own party because they can see that the majority of the general public has lost confidence in him.

He has no clear direction, is weak and his judgement is questionable. He promised change but seems to be blustering from one u-turn to the next.

It seems he is more comfortable on foreign affairs than on domestic issues. A lot of people voted for him with high hopes but feel let down.

MushMonster · 12/05/2026 07:11

SevenYellowHammers · 11/05/2026 23:27

Yep, that was a dick move. He needs more trustworthy advisors for sure.

Starmer is not on the verge of being ousted because he is a hard working boring politician. Or because the international scene is working against getting UK economy going. Or because the media. Or because he lacks of charisma.

He is in this because of why on Earth is Mandelson, twice thrown out of government, besties with Epstein, anywhere near Starmer? Why is this person allowed to have anything with politics and specially with those in power? And then given a post that puts him on the pathway of very sensitive information? When we all know he cannot be trusted? Then when you pull a bit and ask some questions, more dodgy names come to light. More extreme dodgy behaviour comes to light. Yet Starmer forced his own party to vote against a public enquiry on what is going on.
It is not a dick move. The dick move was to have Mandelson anywhere close to the Labour party. To have Mandelson anywhere close to a ruling government and to give him any post, that cannot be justified. That is obscure beyond measure. And that is the reason this is happening. And it is all 100% to Starmer and no one else.

I doubt he will survive this. Ministers are now urging him to resign.

We do need a full on enquiry on what happened with Mandelson and the whole of Starmer's inner circle. And the full Labour circle.
The Labour party must have a laundry day to get rid of any similar characters before they chose a leader. If they want a chance to survive this as a party.

ProudAmberTurtle · 12/05/2026 07:11

MandingoAteMyBaby · 11/05/2026 21:59

Labour has massively reduced immigration.

Net immigration!!!

They've overseen a massive increase in people leaving the country because they're fed up with the high taxes.

The boat people?

They're still flooding in, sadly.

Sherbs12 · 12/05/2026 06:56

Whatafustercluck · 11/05/2026 23:16

I've said this all along. KS has a PR problem. Blair also had Alistair Campbell.

And to people talking about Ed Milliband as a good possible successor: all The Sun had to do was print a front page picture of the man eating a bacon roll on election day to put people off voting Labour.

Whoever replaces KS is already on borrowed time.

Totally agree - Starmer needs a Campbell (or maybe even a Malcolm Tucker!).

Both Campbell and Paul Mason wrote great articles in The New World yesterday, about why this isn’t the right time for Starmer to go - well worth a read.

SevenYellowHammers · 12/05/2026 06:56

echt · 12/05/2026 01:25

So unless he has a total personality change and finds some charisma from somewhere he should be gone

So that's his problem. FFS.

Is that what it is then? In the reality show that is politics, he’s not charismatic enough?

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rwalker · 12/05/2026 06:54

It’s like saying you’d sooner be punched than stabbed

SevenYellowHammers · 12/05/2026 06:52

cantgardenintherain · 11/05/2026 22:26

I quite like him because he is intelligent. We need that.

Intelligence doesn’t get voted for. People like Trump and Farage because they talk in simple soundbites

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Sunshinemoonlightboogie · 12/05/2026 06:50

Had exactly the same conversation yesterday! This constant blame game is so tedious. I am losing all faith in labour, stopped being a card carrying member a while back, and now not even sure I’d vote for them with this witch hunt!

TulipsAndPancakes · 12/05/2026 06:46

Totally agree, OP.
He reminds me of my boring but very sensible uncle and I trust him.

Sherbs12 · 12/05/2026 06:28

echt · 12/05/2026 01:25

So unless he has a total personality change and finds some charisma from somewhere he should be gone

So that's his problem. FFS.

This! We had a ‘personality’ with Johnson and look how that turned out. Politics is broken. People want someone with ‘charisma’ and slogans. I despair - we’re on a fast-track to Trumpism with the cult of personality and unserious politics of Farage.

Sherbs12 · 12/05/2026 06:25

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What is ‘blatant’ exactly? That there are people who think and feel differently to you? To be honest, it’s unusual and refreshing to see support for Starmer - there are many threads and posts that are exactly the opposite.

PropertyD · 12/05/2026 06:13

Cheeseandcrumpetsyumyum · 12/05/2026 01:20

For information, 60 million people did not vote for the Labour Party with Sir Keir Starmer as leader.

The Labour Party won with 33.7% of the total votes cast. Also remember that many of those eligible to vote did not do so.

So the country did not overwhelmingly support Starmer's Labour Party. Quite a lot of those votes were in protest at the Tories' record.

Starmer may not do so badly on the International stage but if he can't control his backbenchers and make the much needed welfare reform changes and bowed to them and ditched the 2 child UC benefit cap when it was very popular with the voting public who wished to keep it, why should he keep his position?

Then on top of that he appoints untrustworthy people like Mandelson, whilst ignoring all the warnings given to him. And then blames and fires others for his poor decisions.

Such inept behaviour from a former human rights lawyer! But then again he has forgotten his past career and now overlooks human rights and international law abuses and let's them go unchallenged when it suits him.

This is why he should be considering his position.

He has no backbone. The public sees that and his own backbenchers sees that.

So unless he has a total personality change and finds some charisma from somewhere he should be gone.

However, the Labour Party backbenchers seem to be very keen on self destructing if they think the public will vote for a more left leaning Party fronted by the likes of Ed Miliband or Angela Rayner! Even Andy Burnham will not change their fortunes if he won't take serious steps to reform welfare and align the numbers eligible to receive it with the European average, which is way, way lower than the in the UK.

This!

MikeRafone · 12/05/2026 06:10

hobbledyhoy · 11/05/2026 20:15

It’s the usual. The right wing parties can do whatever they like and get little scrutiny, Labour or left leaning have their backgrounds scoured to find a mole to make a headline mountain. Case in point, Farage’s multiple donations totalling over £5million from Christopher Harborne and £200k from JCB, also accepting donations in crypto that are untraceable - very little reaction. Starmer and wife getting football tickets and some clothes - utter fucking outrage.
It’s the fact that the media peddles this shite and people believe it without thinking critically about why it’s being fed to them this way that convinces me we’ll continually vote against our own interests.

This

PolitePombear · 12/05/2026 05:57

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asdbaybeeee · 12/05/2026 05:56

MissAmbrosia · 11/05/2026 20:36

I like him and have done since his impassioned anti-Brexit speeches back in the day. I am slightly disappointed he's not quite so impassioned these days but fear he is stymied by the media who all seem to hate him for no real reason. I think the Labour party ARE getting on with stuff but all anyone hears is about welfare scroungers and small boats. It will take a LONG time to get over the Tory years but instead of supporting the necessary, all the media focus is on fecking Reform and Farage who have no policies or plans at all. I like it that the Labour party is not blaming immigrants for all the woes of society and actually trying to do something. I think even they realise they need to work faster. They certainly need some better PR.

I agree with this.

i do wonder if he needs to step down for the sake of the party. Otherwise in two years labour will be out.

Thefastandthecurious5 · 12/05/2026 01:30

Cheeseandcrumpetsyumyum · 12/05/2026 01:20

For information, 60 million people did not vote for the Labour Party with Sir Keir Starmer as leader.

The Labour Party won with 33.7% of the total votes cast. Also remember that many of those eligible to vote did not do so.

So the country did not overwhelmingly support Starmer's Labour Party. Quite a lot of those votes were in protest at the Tories' record.

Starmer may not do so badly on the International stage but if he can't control his backbenchers and make the much needed welfare reform changes and bowed to them and ditched the 2 child UC benefit cap when it was very popular with the voting public who wished to keep it, why should he keep his position?

Then on top of that he appoints untrustworthy people like Mandelson, whilst ignoring all the warnings given to him. And then blames and fires others for his poor decisions.

Such inept behaviour from a former human rights lawyer! But then again he has forgotten his past career and now overlooks human rights and international law abuses and let's them go unchallenged when it suits him.

This is why he should be considering his position.

He has no backbone. The public sees that and his own backbenchers sees that.

So unless he has a total personality change and finds some charisma from somewhere he should be gone.

However, the Labour Party backbenchers seem to be very keen on self destructing if they think the public will vote for a more left leaning Party fronted by the likes of Ed Miliband or Angela Rayner! Even Andy Burnham will not change their fortunes if he won't take serious steps to reform welfare and align the numbers eligible to receive it with the European average, which is way, way lower than the in the UK.

The Labour Party won with 33.7% of the total votes cast. Also remember that many of those eligible to vote did not do so.

Do you remember the alternative vote referendum in 2011/12? Did you vote in it? It’s because of that referendum that we still have first past the post.

Thefastandthecurious5 · 12/05/2026 01:29

Whatafustercluck · 11/05/2026 23:16

I've said this all along. KS has a PR problem. Blair also had Alistair Campbell.

And to people talking about Ed Milliband as a good possible successor: all The Sun had to do was print a front page picture of the man eating a bacon roll on election day to put people off voting Labour.

Whoever replaces KS is already on borrowed time.

Completely agree. I really like Ed Miliband and think he’d be a good successor, but the media will rip him to shreds. They mainly resent his left-of-centre beliefs, slight social awkwardness and Jewish heritage, saying stuff like he’s ’un-British’, ‘a citizen of nowhere’ etc. Awfully cruel common or garden antisemitism.

Thefastandthecurious5 · 12/05/2026 01:26

DrBlackbird · 12/05/2026 00:07

Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood is among cabinet ministers calling for Starmer to set out a timetable for his resignation

Thats disappointing because i thought she had some capabilities, but now she’s just being another egotistical PM wannabe going by what serves her career rather than what’s best for the country.

She’s a twat.

echt · 12/05/2026 01:25

So unless he has a total personality change and finds some charisma from somewhere he should be gone

So that's his problem. FFS.

Cheeseandcrumpetsyumyum · 12/05/2026 01:20

Blahblahblahabla · 11/05/2026 23:47

Are we actually being serious that 80 snakes can seriously overturn the democratic vote of 60 million people. Because I have had enough of this. I am starting to think this is actually what’s wrong with our country. We cannot chop and change PM like this!

For information, 60 million people did not vote for the Labour Party with Sir Keir Starmer as leader.

The Labour Party won with 33.7% of the total votes cast. Also remember that many of those eligible to vote did not do so.

So the country did not overwhelmingly support Starmer's Labour Party. Quite a lot of those votes were in protest at the Tories' record.

Starmer may not do so badly on the International stage but if he can't control his backbenchers and make the much needed welfare reform changes and bowed to them and ditched the 2 child UC benefit cap when it was very popular with the voting public who wished to keep it, why should he keep his position?

Then on top of that he appoints untrustworthy people like Mandelson, whilst ignoring all the warnings given to him. And then blames and fires others for his poor decisions.

Such inept behaviour from a former human rights lawyer! But then again he has forgotten his past career and now overlooks human rights and international law abuses and let's them go unchallenged when it suits him.

This is why he should be considering his position.

He has no backbone. The public sees that and his own backbenchers sees that.

So unless he has a total personality change and finds some charisma from somewhere he should be gone.

However, the Labour Party backbenchers seem to be very keen on self destructing if they think the public will vote for a more left leaning Party fronted by the likes of Ed Miliband or Angela Rayner! Even Andy Burnham will not change their fortunes if he won't take serious steps to reform welfare and align the numbers eligible to receive it with the European average, which is way, way lower than the in the UK.

DrBlackbird · 12/05/2026 00:07

Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood is among cabinet ministers calling for Starmer to set out a timetable for his resignation

Thats disappointing because i thought she had some capabilities, but now she’s just being another egotistical PM wannabe going by what serves her career rather than what’s best for the country.

DrBlackbird · 12/05/2026 00:03

Sidebeforeself · 11/05/2026 22:41

The same is true of The Guardian and any Tory leader

But oddly, neither does The Graun ever approve of a Labour leader. Unless maybe if Corbyn was elected. Unfortunately its integrity was lost years ago.

nam3c4ang3 · 11/05/2026 23:48

SevenYellowHammers · 11/05/2026 22:42

Could you post your evidence for these claims please?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26335569

Blahblahblahabla · 11/05/2026 23:47

Are we actually being serious that 80 snakes can seriously overturn the democratic vote of 60 million people. Because I have had enough of this. I am starting to think this is actually what’s wrong with our country. We cannot chop and change PM like this!

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