To want stability in this country and to be fed up of all the witch hunts

No, our problems are driven entirely by the political class and Labour and Tory governments of the last 29 years.

Sky high immigration, massive welfare, no understanding or will for economic growth.

Tories and Labour deserve to be wiped out as national political parties. The job is done with the Tories. Labour, next.

Yes, not sure what’s so hard to understand about what people want. If you deliver the exact opposite and then bleat about being held to account, then you’re stupid.

Even in countries which appear to be doing better (US etc) aren't actually doing all that well. The growth in the US is very driven by AI and there's some sense of a bubble there.

Economic growth is often driven by population growth. More people, more customers to make stuff, buy stuff, provide services. As population growth slows we have to move away from relying on growth to ensure people feel like they are getting better off.

The problems in our country are deep seated. A huge proportion of them are driven by factors beyond the government's control - global events & foreign economies.

We have to recognise:

• the issues won't go away overnight. It will take years of consistent policies.
• it will hurt. The economy isn't growing. There are relatively few levers the government can actually pull to reduce spending and when they try to, no one is happy.

Everyone just wants someone else to pay more tax. Companies. The rich. Believe it or not most British companies are not rolling in profits.

Right sizing the budget to match the poorer country we've become will be painful but if we don't do it the future will only be worse.

Yes they started poorly - the constant negativity created an environment that was just getting worse and worse for them and then the first budget was terrible.

in reality, their pledge not to increase the big 3 taxes tied their hands and they’ve been scrabbling ever since. The problem with the other taxes they’re tinkering with is that they create much more friction

we don’t just pay for things through taxes - a healthy economy and growth is needed. But growth in the west has stalled and employers don’t want to be here in the numbers needed. So we are in a doom loop where less and less taxpayers are expected to pay for more and more as the debt goes up and up

I completely agree. It doesn't do any good to keep changing PM's. As a country we need stability.
Also be careful what you wish for. There is no saying whoever becomes the next PM will be any good either. So do we then start again, and again, and again?

They've been the opposite of slow and steady. It's been rushed-out policies followed by hurried U-turns. Take the winter fuel allowance for example.

But they haven't been slow and steady. They've been relatively fast with bringing in new policies that have made people worse off.

Increased business rates have made businesses shut.
Increased NI and other worker "protections" have meant businesses stop hiring.
Changes to renter laws have meant landlords are selling up en masse, so people get evicted.
VAT on school fees, whether or not you're a fan, got rushed in halfway through an academic year.

They haven't been slow and steady. They've been charging round frantically trampling over everything

Posters are implying that a great gov and PM is being trashed by lies in the media when the gov and Starmer have been laughably rubbish at fixing anything in fact have made it harder for businesses and backtracked time and again -unforgivable imv as they obviously didn’t do due diligence
its the gov not the media

to add -I didn’t expect everything fixed I just wanted to see a plan for our future,and maybe some honesty- instead false promises (all the house building?)

Agreed - both politicians and newspapers are just constantly on the attack. It is of no benefit to the UK.

They will defend that by saying ‘we are holding them to account’, but someone sneezes and they’re suggesting people should be quitting their jobs etc.

Yes, how Starmer has been treated is a symptom of our society today.

No one can stand slow and steady, when that is nearly always what works best.

Only frantic, frenetic and exciting action will do. It will be disastrous not to keep the PM.

but our present gov and the Tories have failed again and again -how many decades should we wait

I am no Starmer fan, but I have to agree this is a media led story.

Feels like the media will say anything to keep a story going. Like when we were coming out of COVID yet the media were agitating for more lock downs.

Exactly this. I've said it before on other threads - Farage & Reform are wolves in sheep's clothing who are exploiting ordinary people's unhappiness for their own ends. Farage is supported by billionaires who want him in for the inevitable tax cuts and policies favouring the rich that he will bring in. He doesn't give a monkeys about ordinary working people but it seems we will have to live out this nightmare until it's actually believed.

Did you complain when ìt was about Boris and cake?

I think the Gordon brown ‘awful woman’ comment was indicative of the problem - politicians not willing to listen to people because they know best and the ordinary person just needs to be told

so when a grifter like farage comes along banging on about an issue people are worried about - people want to get the politicians to sit up and listen so vote for him - but instead they’re getting ‘you’re a racist, how do we educate you?’

I'd love for those who are calling for Starmers resignation to come up with one solid reason why that has not come from the Daily Fail

And they also want great public services and an improved NHS but unfortunately those things need to be paid for - by taxation.

I do think a lot of it isn’t just regular media but social media. It’s created a space where people have an echo chamber of content that fuels certain narratives. Not just people they interact with, but algorithms that churn out the same viewpoints.

Ive also noticed that since all the COVID scandals we’ve become a nation that feels we can just say ‘don’t like what this person did / said’ so we must get rid and put someone else in place because of how quickly we were going through PMs in that time.

The poor old electorate have been saying please get immigration under control since Tony Blair opened the doors to east Europeans in 2000s, I remember Theresa May as Home Sec promising to get it below 250,000 a year and she failed - so we then got Brexit and now what was probably the most inclusive country in the west turned into a racist nut house - and Labour despite the threat of Farage are still pussy footing ,though Shabama Mahmoud has made changes, unfortunately it is a drop iin the ocean as our population continues to soar - FGS change the laws if that is what is needed .what we are spending on hotels and policing will break us

I'm starting to feel utter contempt for the British electorate. Catching up on my contempt for the American electorate.

Absolutely this, and I for one am fucking sick of the fact that nobody in politics calls this out.

The Labour mps all need to grow up and try and work together rather than mounting a popularity contest. The media, as a previous poster so rightly said, are mainly to blame as they are owned by billionaires who wish to see Farage and his ilk I charge. I foresee mayhem.

But the Pm and MPs don’t need to respond to it!!
eg Angela Rayners housing issue - why didn’t she say I paid Joe bloggs the solicitor to deal with my CGT ,or whatever it was, and he messed up -we are both extremely sorry and remedying this at once - end of.
Rachel reeves lied on her cv -she is apologising profusely and now concentrating on this policy and that to help the GDP. The end.
Just because Kemi Badenoch rants I dont think that there has to be a denial/long winded explanation- just say you are doing x,y.y to improve the economy and move on - there’ll be another headline tomorrow.

to add if MPs would be truthful from the start it would help

The people just want lower taxes and lower immigration.

It really is that simple.