Angela Raynor still doesnt get it.

Maybe they could work in descending order, building detention centres first in those areas with the largest Green majority? Would this be fair?

Unless you have done a house to house survey of all residents you literally have no idea of their views.

Some vocal groups on Facebook is not evidence of the thinking of the majority.

Surely this solution works best for everyone. Giving everyone a slice of what they have voted for?

Not with FPTP. Constituency A votes Reform:Green 49%:51% so gets a detention centre but constituency B votes Reform:Green 51%:49% doesn't. The 49% of the electorate who voted for Reform UK Party Ltd in constituency A won't be very chuffed.

What about the rape of a young woman on Brighton beach by 3 asylum seekers? That’s just the most recent example I can think of.
you seem to be saying you’ve not come across evidence of lots of things, but many of these incidents are reported fairly regularly in the mainstream press.

Your dishonesty is quite shameless.

This is the actual proposal:

Key Details of the Policy Proposal:
Targeted Assets: Officials indicated that high-value assets such as cars, e-bikes, and significant amounts of cash or gold (e.g., "a bag full of gold rings") could be seized.
Exemptions: Mahmood clarified that items of high sentimental value, specifically wedding rings, would not be confiscated.

Mahmood insisted asylum seekers would not have any items of sentimental value, such as wedding rings, taken away.
However, she said individuals with a "flashy Rolex" watch, e-bike, car or other high-value assets "should make a contribution" towards the cost of their stay.
She gave the example of an asylum seeker who was being given £800 a month by his family and had bought an Audi.
"He was not required under any of our rules to contribute towards the cost of his asylum accommodation," Mahmood said.

She was also proposing to pay failed asylum seekers to leave the country instead of just putting them in a plane (a ludicrous plan in my mind)

Whereas Hitler stripped his victims of their homes, artworks, gold teeth, personal jewellery and even hair on his route to genocide.

Your dishonest and repeated attempts to draw a parallel are now getting obscene.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj41r4l0v9jo?app-referrer=deep-link

Net migration is mostly down because students and care workers can no longer bring dependents and the salary for spouses is much higher

😂Then the former Conservative ministers can get their old positions back! 😱

Ive never seen something more classist on here in my life.

"Stay in your lane council estate girl. Youre fine to complain to about bin collections but leave the big stuff to the 'educated'c

People were also extremely angry about immigration under the Tories.

https://yougov.com/en-gb/trackers/the-most-important-issues-facing-the-country

I don't think people who have lost faith in Labour's ability to deal with immigration effectively are defecting to the Tories. They have little faith in them too.

Lots of people claim that but we’ve got 5 million unemployed. That is the resource government should be looking to utilise, not importing foreign workers to ‘wipe bums’ as Zack Polanski so offensively put it.

Were you this angry about immigration when it flared massively under Boris? Or when the Tories closed down processing centres and hence started the ridiculous hotel stays for immigrants because of the year-long wait for processing?

Because, IMO, what Labour REALLY need to deal with is the SM smearing campaign that puts ALL OF THIS at their door.

Immigration figures have NOT worsened under this government BUT that's not the story we're all hearing!

Exactly this. Reform aren't pretending that they or their voters would like a detention centre on their doorstep. They are pretty honest and open about this.

Conversely Green voters have ostensibly voted for open borders. This means they shouldn't have a problem with these centres being close to them.

Surely this solution works best for everyone. Giving everyone a slice of what they have voted for?

I am not minimising the evil of Nazi Germany. I am showing, though, how easy it is for political parties to have similar rhetoric and policies.

Well you are minimising because you are sliding past the fact that Hitler was a genocidal maniac whose rhetoric was the precursor for him murdering 6 million Jews whereas Farage and Mahmood just want effective borders and are not advocating for anyone to be murdered, but you are drawing a comparison with the language used as if it was significant. Which it isn’t.

Hitler was also a vegetarian, are you going to start on Peta next because of the similarity in their views on animal cruelty with Hitler?

Hopefully the Government

Net migration has only got lower in their term because so many British people are LEAVING the country. The number of immigrants entering the country hasn’t actually got much lower at all.

Hope that helps

Right but so what? Even if they do, the people in those areas should be saying no problem , we welcome you. Why would any government want to put them in an area that doesn’t want one? You have said you would be happy to have one so what’s the issue. What cause problems where there aren’t any. Those who wish to have one can volunteer. Those are going to be, most likely, areas where these is a Green majority.

So I'm quite sanguine about the possibility of a Reform government - it will lance the boil.

Just like the Brexit referendum lanced that particular boil?

It's Reform who see it as negative. Here's the original video
https://youtube.com/shorts/W3QET-35vYQ?si=JPk0POXKWqDZZTdy

That's because people don't understand the difference or how the system actually works.

Is he not separated or divorced from his German wife? He has a girlfriend now, she has allegedly paid for his house in Clacton, which is all a bit vague and murky, oddly Farage's property dealing aren't as closely scrutinised as other politicians. I saw something online saying that Refom were a new party (true) and allowances should be made for some of the vetting errors and mistakes being made in local governement. Given that Farage has had around 3 decades in politics and Reform has a load of ex Tories on board several of whom have held cabinet posts there should be a wealth of political experience to draw on

I don't know why you're pretending this is some kind of gotcha moment.

Reform will obviously attempt to stop the small boats and may well be successful. They are prepared to leave the ECHR and will have unified support within their own party to take some radical measures to detain and deport people. Labour are seriously hamstrung by their own party's left wing who simply won't tolerate any meaningful reforms. Nobody can guarantee that anything will work as we are dealing with highly motivated individuals desperate to get here. If the population are desperate to stop immigration and Reform's measure don't work then I imagine even more radical policies will gain popular support. I can imagine that detention centres will still be needed in this scenario too. Opinion polls have consistently shown that people aren't happy with the level and type of immigration that we currently have. They aren't suddenly going to accept it just because it's very difficult to tackle.

You literally said that people who voted Green are being singled out for ‘negative treatment’ by having these Detention centres being put in their area. If you aren’t bothered by it then what is the issue? Makes perfect sense to me that the people who want to give them a warm welcome house them in their area. This should been seem as a positive should it not?

Surely they are just giving people what they voted for. You want open borders, you got them!

No, not at all, in fact I live in an area with a high immigrant population and I don't have an issue with it. Reform obviously do hence the annoucment that they would only put these centres in areas that have a Green MP or Green majority council.

This.

And with a party leader who had an appalling attendance record in the European Parliament and has a poor attendance record in the UK parliament and has never had a proper job in his life. His kids are OK though, his wife is German (the irony) and they have EU passports. No restrictions in visiting the EU for them.

So, we’ve had UKIP, the Brexit party, now Reform, so many name changes, l wonder what they will call themselves next year.