Angela Raynor still doesnt get it.

This.
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Perhaps if they were kept for 'processing' there would be fewer rapes and sexual assaults.
And whilst they at it perhaps educating these invaders that raping and sexual assault isnt tolerated ... that way they can't claim they 'didnt know' it was wrong 😡

The working class have been deserting Labour in droves ever since 2010 when Brown called Mrs Duffy a bigot when she raised such concerns. Nowadays only Islington intellectual types and welfare claimants support Labour.

Labours pro-immigration stance resulted in the working classes wages being undercut, housing given to others as the priority, banged up in jail if they dare to speak out, new laws to ensure they do not speka oiut etc.

It's too late for Labour to get the working class vote now, they have long gone to Reform (created by Labour and the Tories to fill a void).

I am not trying to be dishonest at all, and I sincerely apologise for appearing dishonest or unclear in how I expressed myself in my earlier post.

I think I have a very clear understanding of what the Nazis did, from having studied it at school and university

But when I first read about the Home Office’s plans to get rid of asylum seekers’ jewellery, my immediate thoughts went to the Nazis’ policies of confiscating Jewish people’s jewellery, artwork, houses, teeth and anything else valuable they had (as you write).

Yes, I realise the HO policy and the Nazi policies are VERY different in terms of their aims.

But the optics of this HO policy are really poorly designed and clumsy, and have really unpleasant echoes of the Nazis’ policy. It was the reference to jewellery and valuables that sparked the comparison for me.

Instead of welcoming people who have fled persecution or been displaced, we’re seizing their assets? It sounds very degrading and undignified.

I’m really concerned that no one at the HO seemed to consider these optics, and how the policy would come across, before Shabana Mahmood talked about it publicly.

Did anyone else here not see a parallel between these policies and the Nazis’ policies?

Yes, it's not one I came up with, I was responding to someone saying how much better Denmark NHS was etc.

Sorry - I’d not come across that. I’ve now looked it up. I’ve not yet come across any other gang rapes though.

They are LISTENING

They have made as many changes as they can in a short space of time to tackle this without breaking the law and within financial common sense.

It would of course help if, as a majority, the general public

1. Knew what illegal immigration actual was
2. Understood that the ludicrous Brexit has made it incredibly difficult to prevent small boats crossing as France has no need to work with us

Just because a bunch of ill informed shouty , racist bigots keep repeating ' Stop The Boats' , it doesn't mean that they will be any better equipped to solve the issue.

As for Welfare cuts, what people really mean is punish the poor and the sick because, hey, we are OK, why should we pay for other people?.

You are wrong! Under your (wrong) definition then mental health units would also be defined as prisons when that is clearly nonsense.

Prisons have to contain people that have been convicted of a crime by definition. Detention Centres are basically processing centres. The profile of the type of people on each centre will be completely different.

You look at how she is portrayed in the media. Do you think the media, in particular, certain sources of media are impartial and objective?

The thread is about her not listening and lots of people are throwing out the usual insults about her so I am drawing valid comparisons. I am sure Farage could have been photographed in the media in lots of uncompromising positions but he hasn’t been. He is a man of the people when he is photographed with his pint and cigarette. Rayner, because of her background (and a woman), is uncouth and uneducated.

I’m sorry but if I am fleeing war and persecution and the country I flee to tells me, in return for giving me asylum, that I have to stay full bed and board in a facility for a month or so whilst they process my claim - id say absolutely no problem. Completely understandable in the circumstances. I’d just be very relieved and grateful to be given the opportunity quite frankly.

They are not prisons. This is a matter of fact not of opinion.

What is a place where the government detains people against their will called except a prison? You can call it a detention centre but it's still a prison.

If someone is claiming they are gay when they are not, or pretending to convert to Christianity when they are not, and they do this to stay here when they would otherwise not be entitled, then yes, they are abusing the system.

They are not prisons. This is a matter of fact not of opinion.

Maybe Reform would only build the centres where the Greens have a large majority. This would undermine your argument somewhat.

What is wrong with a temporary ‘prison’ to process people who have arrived whilst it is established who they are? I find it absolutely baffling that public safety is not put ahead of everything. No one should be allowed to turn up, often undocumented, and allowed to freely roam a community. I am actually appalled this has been allowed to continue for so long.

They are prisons & it's a quite extraordinary proposal that constituencies should be punished for electing a Green MP. A constituency with a 51%:49% Reform:Green vote won't get a migrant prison but a constituency with a 49%:51% Reform:Green vote will. A constituency could elect a Green on just 30% of the vote with the rest split Labour:LibDemReform 20%:21%:29% so even if 70% of the electorate vote against the Greens they would still get a migrant prison.

It’s nothing to do with what the media presents her as - I listen to what she says and look at her behaviour. And it’s not good.

What has Nigel Farage smoking got to do with Angela? I’m quite sure he hasn’t been photographed in his undies floating around in a rubber dinghy sucking on a vape.

Where did I say that? This thread is about Angela Rayner - feel free to start one about Farage if you’re that interested.

Farage is a big smoker. I am sure he could have been pictured in many scenarios looking less than “politician”. Have you ever wondered why the media presents a working class woman in that way and no one else? Everything you have said suggests it is all about her background too.

Don’t worry about that, with his track record he won’t show up for anything!

They're not prisons though. They are centres to hold migrants whilst their claims are being processed. This is a very different prospect and there is clearly a significant proportion of Green voters that do not view asylum seekers or other kinds of immigrants as intrinsically 'bad' people to have around the lock community. This is hugely different to prisoners.

Whereas Farage with his pint and his ciggie is a class act?

Why should she talk about issues that are not actually going to make people's lives better? And issues she doesn't believe in. The media hype and rhetoric from Reform has made those things into big issues.
For the record though immigration is falling and the UK may actually have negative net migration by next year.
And the welfare bill is also reducing. But if we want to live in a caring society where vulnerable people are supported then we have to accept that welfare costs will always be high. Incidentally over half of the welfare bill goes on pensioners either through the state pension or pension credit with an aging population that isn't going to get smaller and almost 39% of benefits go to those in work.

Also to note more people voted for progressive parties than voted for Reform.

Where did I say I would "be happy to have one"? I said that I live in an area with a high number of immigrants and that this was not an issue for me in response to your assertion that I saw living alongside immigrants as a punishment. These proposed centres are being touted by Reform as a negative thing hence the intention to put them in non Reform supporting areas. Aside from the fact that this won't happen or if it does it will be a very much watered down version . I mentioned this whole thing because I feel it is a good example of the negativity of Reform, What are their plans for education, for the NHS, how are they intending to address the housing crisis, student loans, the terrible pollution of our waterways, the ever increasing cost of food and fuel? The country is in a real mess and I fail to see how it is all caused by the small boats.

It’s nothing to do with her background or education.

I don’t care about that but like PP, we listen to what comes out of her mouth now and it’s often tripe.

She behaves in a thuggish manner with little self control and would be an embarrassment to us on a world stage because of that. Nothing else.

Except maybe that awful picture of her vaping in a rubber dinghy.

It can never be fair. Public construction projects are often given to constituencies as a usual part of pork barrel politics e.g. the Humber bridge but punishing constituencies for not voting for Reform UK Party Ltd by constructing prisons is a very novel disincentive & eminently subject to judicial review.