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Angela Raynor still doesnt get it.

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ThisDandyWriter · 11/05/2026 08:08

I’ve just read Angela’s Raynor’s statement about why Labour did so badly and what they need to do to change….aibu to think SHE STILL DOESNT GET IT!! Nothing mentioned about welfare, nothing mentioned about immigration-these are 2 subjects most talked about as the reasons why people didn’t vote for Labour.
she might not like it-but id they want to stay in power, they MUST tackle these subjects and not just ignore them because they dint fit her narrative.

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ThisDandyWriter · 11/05/2026 08:25

OnceUponATimed · 11/05/2026 08:22

Do you think those voters, who voted purely for immigration reasons, will now vote for a slightly more right wing labour?

Far, better to do a really good job at improving the economy.And bringing the country back to some resemblance of normality after it was wrecked by the tories. So far they are not doing this.

If all they are concerned about is chasing votes, then they are far better going for the green and non voters than the Reform lot. These massively out number those voting for Reform.

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Or listen to what the people of this country actually want? People do not (in general) want more illegal immigrants. They do not want their taxes going up at the same time as welfare spending going up whilst dealing with increased COL themselves.

Labour are not LISTENING.

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ilovesooty · 11/05/2026 08:24

ThisDandyWriter · 11/05/2026 08:23

It’s not immigration as a whole that bothers people (in my opinion), it’s illegal immigration.

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You believe that. I don't.

MustTryHarderAndHarder · 11/05/2026 08:23

HappiestSleeping · 11/05/2026 08:20

The irony is that net migration is down 69% under this government.

Sadly, I think it could get to zero, and Farage would still be spouting "stop the boats".

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But it isn't just immigration. It's the lack of welfare reform as well.

The Tories couldn't reform welfare as everyone would call them the nasty party.

Labour is the only party that can do it but they won't for some reason and they are hemorrhaging votes because of it.

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ThisDandyWriter · 11/05/2026 08:23

HappiestSleeping · 11/05/2026 08:20

The irony is that net migration is down 69% under this government.

Sadly, I think it could get to zero, and Farage would still be spouting "stop the boats".

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It’s not immigration as a whole that bothers people (in my opinion), it’s illegal immigration.

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OnceUponATimed · 11/05/2026 08:22

ThisDandyWriter · 11/05/2026 08:19

Did you actually see the results of the local elections and read about why so many previous Labour voters rejected Labour?

why do you think Reform attracted so many new voters?

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Do you think those voters, who voted purely for immigration reasons, will now vote for a slightly more right wing labour?

Far, better to do a really good job at improving the economy.And bringing the country back to some resemblance of normality after it was wrecked by the tories. So far they are not doing this.

If all they are concerned about is chasing votes, then they are far better going for the green and non voters than the Reform lot. These massively out number those voting for Reform.

ilovesooty · 11/05/2026 08:21

ThisDandyWriter · 11/05/2026 08:19

Did you actually see the results of the local elections and read about why so many previous Labour voters rejected Labour?

why do you think Reform attracted so many new voters?

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So you think they should attempt to outReform Reform then?

HappiestSleeping · 11/05/2026 08:20

ThisDandyWriter · 11/05/2026 08:19

Did you actually see the results of the local elections and read about why so many previous Labour voters rejected Labour?

why do you think Reform attracted so many new voters?

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The irony is that net migration is down 69% under this government.

Sadly, I think it could get to zero, and Farage would still be spouting "stop the boats".

SpiceGirlsNeedAComeBack · 11/05/2026 08:20

This always happens. We get rid of a PM and replace with someone worse.
We don’t need far left politics - it’s very worrying if she gets made PM. Not to mention wasn’t she done for tax evasion not long ago? Why is she allowed to stand for PM?

MustTryHarderAndHarder · 11/05/2026 08:20

Until the labour party understands that socialism will never work, they have no chance.

Unfortunately they all believe in socialism so they will never give that up.

She just can't see that her workers reforms are a big part of the problem.

All they are concentrating on is the losses in Wales and they have not addressed the losses to Reform at all because they can't as they have no answer.

The also think that all the people who voted reform are idiots.

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ThisDandyWriter · 11/05/2026 08:19

OnceUponATimed · 11/05/2026 08:14

There is absolutely no way they should go more anti.Immigration. it will alienate many of their voters, and they will never hopefully be as anti immigration as the right wing parties.

Did you actually see the results of the local elections and read about why so many previous Labour voters rejected Labour?

why do you think Reform attracted so many new voters?

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Overtheatlantic · 11/05/2026 08:15

I’m not sure she’s capable of understanding the wider picture because she is very much a product of her upbringing and circumstances, without the intellectual curiosity to further inform her beliefs. She’s a local politician but not a global leader.

OnceUponATimed · 11/05/2026 08:14

There is absolutely no way they should go more anti.Immigration. it will alienate many of their voters, and they will never hopefully be as anti immigration as the right wing parties.