Angela Raynor still doesnt get it.

@Havanananana why is she called Suella Bobblehead? Isn’t it… Braverman?

Being concerned about immigration, or being anti-immigration, is not racist.
It’s a valid political position.

In fairness, Trump and Reform are doing the exact same thing - making loads of promises to the electorate that they have no hope of delivering. 'I will stop the war in Ukraine in one day.' 'We will stop the small boats.' And the fact that most of us do realise that these promises can't and won't be delivered is the reason people think Reform voters are stupid.

I think that's unfair. I think Farage has done a good job of pretending to be the party of the working class, by blaming all their woes on immigration, when it's obviously far more complex a picture than just that. And he doesn't actually give a shit about the working class. He's not working class himself and nor are the vast majority of the people (largely ex-Tories) he's recruiting into the party, so of course they're not going to care. His financial backers are millionaires or billionaires, which tells you everything you need to know about whose interests he's actually looking out for.

Keir? Or Kier? And why ‘Sir Kier’?

Also, @CornishDaughteroftheDawn, @Philgooglemail is not comparing ‘the Holocaust’ (specifically, the Nazis’ extermination of 6 million European Jews) to Reform, but in fact comparing Hitler’s speeches to Farage’s speeches - and they’re oddly similar. I think Phil is absolutely right to point this out. What are your thoughts?

The fact that a proportion of voters shunned Labour because of their own racist views on immigration doesn’t mean that Labour should go down that road. I’ve always voted Labour but I certainly wouldn’t if they started adopting Reform policies.

As an extremely paid well known representative of the BBC, there should be a reasonable expectation of impartiality. The fact that they managed to get around it on technical employment contract grounds does them no favours.

Also the BBC is neither right or left wing, despite some spikiness in the distribution of how that presents. I know people there who can confirm, they try very hard as an organisation to be as impartial as possible, and there are many people who spend most of their role worrying about whether they're managing it.

I’m guessing you don’t watch much BBC atm. Or have left wing views so can’t see the bias. The BBC have been caught lying and misrepresenting the truth on so many occasions it’s a joke and BBC ‘Verify’ is headed up by a woman who lied on her cv and struggles with spotting facts in front of her and understanding the law.

I know there are good people left in the BBC but they are mostly silenced by the ideologues in charge. I used to be a huge supporter of the BBC until I saw what they really were.

It was also up because they changed the rules to encourage it, and left the EU which helped manage it, so net net, I'd say they made it worse.

Sir Kier is talking now. If he wasn’t reading from an autocue I would maybe have more empathy for him but my goodness what a rubbish PM we have. He just can’t take ownership for anything. Blame everyone but yourself and the electorate delivers the message loud and clear.

Labour will never understand economics, as a poster up thread said, socialism can never work, because as lovely as it sounds it’s just not how the majority of humans work.
I’ve said this previously and I’ll say it again; every labour government borrows heavily, every conservative governments tries to make up the deficit. If the previous labour government had stayed in power, they too would have to have made unpopular choices. This labour government have managed to go even further to fuck up the economy. It’s predictable and so boring, because next government in, will have no choice but to cut the welfare bill. Hitler got into power because economically Germany was broken, the people were suffering, and Hitler promised a Utopia to the German populace (okay I’m putting it in very simplistic terms) but all governments need to read the warnings. I don’t want reform in, but nor do I want to be ruled by a party driven by spite and envy (vat of private school fees), or a party that doesn’t understand how businesses work (labour are going to drive up inflation if they carry on with their current plans).
what I want is a common sense party which;
understand how economics work and encourage businesses
you need private investors and businesses to grow an economy but you also need the government to invest as well
you need sensible not punitive tax systems in place.
we need to tackle the problems within schools; teachers need more autonomy and a huge shake up of education, to make it accessible to all.
we need a zero tolerance approach to antisocial behaviour.
we need to invest in much better mental health support (it’s always been the poorer cousin to physical health and a backwater for investment into research)
we do need to tackle economic immigration.
we need to sort out our bloody roads out!!
we need politicians with integrity, who are willing to stick their head above the parapet, and make choices which not everyone will want or like.

Did you not know Nigel Farage is also antisemitic?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jan/07/nigel-farage-dismisses-racist-and-antisemitic-school-bullying-claims-as-made-up-fantasies

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2dny3r3vyo

https://antisemitism.org/tag/nigel-farage

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/2026-05-09/ty-article/.premium/2-100-u-k-jews-sign-petition-against-nigel-farage-attending-antisemitism-rally/0000019e-0ad6-d4b4-a19e-5adfef920000

Exactly right. And where are Suella and Honest Bob now? Oh yeah, that's right. It is farcical isn't it?

Nobody is offering bread and roses. That’s the point, You have to chose and people chose bread. It doesn’t matter if Trump’s bread is fake - the election is over and he won.

And

Muhammad commanded his followers to “kill any Jew that falls into your power.”
“The apostle said, ‘Kill any Jew that falls into your power.’ Thereupon Muhayyisa b. Mas’ud leapt upon Ibn Sunayna, a Jewish merchant with whom they had social and business relations, and killed him. Huwayyisa was not a Muslim at the time though he was the elder brother. When Muhayyisa killed him Huwayyisa began to beat him, saying, ‘You enemy of God, did you kill him when much of the fat on your belly comes from his wealth?’ Muhayyisa answered, ‘Had the one who ordered me to kill him ordered me to kill you I would have cut your head off.’ He said that this was the beginning of Huwayyisa’s acceptance of Islam. The other replied, ‘By God, if Muhammad had ordered you to kill me would you have killed me?’ He said, ‘Yes, by God, had he ordered me to cut off your head I would have done so.’ He exclaimed, ‘By God, a religion which can bring you to this is marvellous!’ and he became a Muslim.”[23]

He's a communist in name only. Really he's just an authoritarian dictator. As Chat GPT has informed me - while formally sitting on the extreme economic left through state control of the economy, the regime is better defined as a totalitarian, nationalist dictatorship.

I think the previous poster has asked you some really good questions @ThisDandyWriter , and I would be interested in hearing the answers. I just don't understand

Socialism gave us the NHS, workers rights, including maternity rights, and so much more. It was socialist suffragettes who got us the vote. Without socialism you wouldn't be able to voice an opinion on who is in power in the UK. Labour under Starmer have lost their way and we need to get back to what Labour was formed to do - standing up for the more vulnerable and powerless in society.

Fortunately, we have a lot of processes to prevent a government ignoring the law. Trump isn't doing so well ignoring the law as many of his decisions that have have been reversed. He then looks like an idiot for not being able to follow through.

Whereas Honest Bob Jenrick (who might actually be the Reform's candidate for PM as Farage won't want to give up the side-hustles and millions of pounds of "gifts") charged the taxpayers hundreds of throusands for his house in Newark, where he's rarely seen, while owning two other million-pound houses.

No Im not.

Do you know how things work when you have a disabled child? they split up, but her child couldn't leave the family home as was adapted for him- my husband and I would be in exactly the same boat and would have to do the same if we were to split. She didn't "pick pocket" anything of her sons, and I believe the property is entirely in trust for him- rightly so.

That’s actually really interesting and never thought about like that. Thank you.

one of the reasons I don’t vote labour or anyone on the left is that I never feel that they see me. It always feels like what they can get from me. Nothing is ever about how my life can be made better, simply how I can be milked to look after everyone else.

Reform probably would reduce illegal immigration as they have no respect for UK and international law so would employ methods that other parties would consider illegal and inhumane. They would have no qualms about sinking small boats and dinghies and letting people drown and shooting migrants so it probably would act as a strong deterrant. I'm sure that there are loads of Reform voters that would sign up for doing that.

They'd be utterly shit at everything else related to running a country though.

Yes - please tell us why?

Why are you throwing around accusations of ‘racist’ at random people? Are you aware how silly that sounds?

I’m not sure why you think it is ‘good’ that Labour aren’t listening to the electorate as we currently live in a democracy so they are just ensuring they will be emphatically be voted out as soon as possible.

They were voted in on a set of principles and they’re acting on them.

Except that they’ve done little that they were voted in for and lots that we don’t want.