Angela Raynor still doesnt get it.

It was Clive Lewis on the BBC who stated this.

Urm, did he say he would smash the gangs in a week of being in power? 2 weeks? A month? Did he give a timescale? Or are you just wanting instant gratification, tiktok style?

Lol over lies to get into power. That's every party, every manifesto. I do hope you're as scathing and unreasonable when Reforms promises turn out to be lies.

You’re a charmer - first calling us all racists for no reason then laughing at pp being pickpocketed. You just keep telling yourself that you’re nice.

But it is. Go on facebook and it’s all about hostels for illegals immigrants. I live in a really nice , middle class affluent area. Pub in the village has a load of spare land (which is sometimes used by a chap to land his helicopter). They were doing some work on it , gets reported in the local Facebook page and the number of, they are turning this (packed all the time gastro pub) pub into a hostel for immigrant posts were amazing.

This is proven to be a fallacy. Are you a Daily Mail reader by any chance?

I have a friend that lives in DK (Brit married to a Dane)

She went to her GP and had carpal tunnel syndrome diagnosed (tentatively) on a Monday. On the Wednesday she got the electrical stimulation diagnostic test and on the Friday she had a call and was offered the surgery the following Tuesday. She has put the surgery off to the start of June for her own reasons.

Last year she found a breast lump and was seen the following day. Two days later she had a mammogram and needle biopsy and had a call the same day to say it was a fluid filled cyst that she could leave or have removed. She arranged to have it removed and this happened three weeks later.

The Danes are doing something right.

My mother used to work in visa and asylum policy, and she is at pains to say how uncommon it is.

How many years ago did your mother work in visa and asylum policy? Surely working on ‘policy’ is not the same as being on the ground uncovering fraud? And things are looking very different now to even 5 years years ago so unless your mum has worked in visa fraud this year, I’m not sure her view is quite relevant.

As for murders and raped committed by foreign nationals, these happen but they’re rare, and most of the time, the people committing them are here legally. I’ve never heard of a gang rape being committed in the U.K. by a foreign national.

You may not be paying much attention to recent news. Off the top of my head I can think of two gang rapes in Bristol, one in Brighton, Leamington Spa in a short timescale.

If you’re referring to gang rapes committed by grooming gangs, these are extremely rare, and the men committing them were British nationals.

No these are not ‘extremely rare’, there are an estimated tens of thousands, likely hundreds of thousands of victims repeatedly raped and abused over years in approx 80 UK towns and cities. And the fact that these men have been given British citizenship does not negate the fact that they are racist and have anti- western ideals.

I’ve not yet seen any reports of terrorist or criminal fugitives entering the U.K. illegally.

Most of the gang rapists I have mentioned came in on the asylum route. The asylum seeker who raped a woman in Hyde Park is a terrorist, I can’t find the article but there were other failed asylum seekers on the run from crimes they committed in Europe who came here on small boats. Just google ‘asylum seeker rape’ and eee hoe many heartbreaking and totally avoidable cases there are where women and girls have had their lives changed forever (or ended) by these men.

Electoral fraud by ‘people with anti-Western views seeking to subvert our democracy’ is a constant threat, as shown by Russia’s increasing attempts to influence our elections, but it’s very well managed.

How is it being well managed if many in power won’t even admit that it’s happening? It’s not just Russia. They seem unbothered that potentially large numbers of Muslims are losing their right to a democratic vote and that postal voting is being abused.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gv24w9vr8o?app-referrer=deep-link

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg090pe65vo?app-referrer=deep-link

https://www.cps.gov.uk/west-midlands/news/two-teenagers-sentenced-rape-leamington-spa

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g4x2zyer2o?app-referrer=deep-link (Raped a 12 yr old not gang rape though)

You should be more worried about Labour and the Greens who are pushing people to Reform because they are ignoring them.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2lknr2d3go

So you don’t believe in principled politicians just greedy people who go where the wind blows?? Right, right 🤦‍♀️

The issues you raised are irrelevant in relation to the challenges we face…they are a distraction…from massive wealth extraction, the climate emergency and our crumbling state services…unless you want to fix the problem with huge rises in unexpected deaths and illnesses?

It went the same way as the one in one out game changer narrative.

Do you really truly expect Labour to stop the folk on a boat in 2 years when nobody else has managed to even make a dent? While trying to undo the damage in the UK left by the cons and facing wars? OK.

If it were that easy, would've been done a long time ago.

Keir could have put immigration to bed once and for all by following the lead of the Danish socialists who introduced strict rules to limit immigration to those who could best pay back into Danish society. They launched this with the chat that they were doing so to protect Danish public services for Danish citizens. Who could argue against that?

Quite agree. The damage Farage has done with Brexit and now this and people still blooming fall for his lies. Brexit was a fail, hurt us in so many ways and people are ready for round 2.

I think Farage's views were made worse by the conservatives who then jumped on the immigration bandwagon, to blame all their mistakes on immigrants instead of admit they ran the country into the ground over their 14 years. I think that finally cemented it in many people's minds, awful. Pretty much everything in this country is because we've been run by inept, personally greedy and poisonous governments for years, not because of immigrants.

This. What happened to KS and his "We will smash the gangs" narrative.

All of this. I voted Labour as I thought Keir was the best person to understand this. I follow UK fiscal research closely for my work. A few unpalatable things are true:

Benefits (esp sickness) are rising too fast to ever be affordable or a true reflection of the health of the nation.

The triple lock was ONLY MEANT TO BE TEMPORARY. It was designed to ‘catch up’ pensions to a higher rate after they weren’t inscreased for a while. That time has come to an end and it is hugely economically damaging to let it run.

Small business tax evasion is rife.

We cannot get more money through tax or borrowing, so cuts have to be made.

The NHS funding model is broken.

I expected Keir to remove disability benefits from spurious claimants. We cannot afford the endless waste of money here. We cannot afford for ‘depressed’ young adults to sit in their bedrooms playing computer games all day.

I expected Keir to drop the triple lock.

I expected Keir to ban certain businesses from dealing in cash. There is no reason why builders / nail bars / cleaners / gardeners should be allowed to take cash. Ban them from doing so and see the tax base increase.

I hoped Keir would look at realistic ways of improving NHS funding, via insurance like the do in the rest of Europe.

I had hoped Keir would get rid of the ridiculous marginal income tax rates by giving everyone child benefit and childcare hours and a personal allowance and increase income tax rates to pay for it. Also drop the vat registration threshold to £20k / year. These two policies would boost growth hugely.

He’s avoiding taking any big decisions to save the economy as he’s a gutless wimp and it’s so pathetic. Angela or Andy would be 100 x worse!

The problem is that the right and bloody Farage have done such a good job of embedding the 'everything is the fault of immigrants' into the national narrative than even left-leaning people are starting to believe it.

But if Reform get into government, they won't have any better shot at doing anything about it than the Conservatives or Labour. The law is the law. They can't start drowning people in the Channel, no matter how much they'd like to.

The irony is that net migration is down 69% under this government.

1, It was chronically high in part due to Hong Kong and Ukrainian refugees. It would have fallen whoever had been in charge.

2, People generally don't care about skilled workers coming here. They care about unskilled economic migrants abusing the asylum system.

Hahah he won’t be prime minister by the end of the week so who cares!

You can't just create your own definition. You're conflating "fascism" and "authoritarianism". Fascism is far right authoritarianism, communism is far left authoritarianism. Reform are hard right and trying to emulate the MAGA trump regime. They are fascists (although currently trying hard to pretend they are not).

I am not actually a labour voter. I'm centrist in my views. I've only ever voted conservative or lib dem. But the prospect of reform getting in is terrifying to most normal and sensible people in the UK. Labour are making a mistake if they think moving further left will help. People want welfare reform, they want a tougher approach to illegal immigration and they want a sensible and fair approach to taxation. It's what most reform voters say they want but its also what most centrist voters want (done in a sensible and controlled way).

Not all reform voters are racist. But most racists vote reform.

Labour have done things to tackle immigration, but folk don't think it's enough, they want it stopped completely which is lala land if they think that's good for the UK. Plus, there's some of us who still realise immigration isn't the huge problem in this country that our media bias tells it. They are not responsible for the cost of living, lack of housing, the NHS, schools, potholes, Putin/Trump etc.

She sold her share of the property to her son and then used that money to buy her Brighton flat.

Who does that? My share of my house goes to my son in my will. I dont ask him to pay me for his 'share'.

And moving 300 miles away means she isnt going to be nesting with anyone