Does labour want to make itself unelectable ?

It’s not. I understand though if you’re a hard core supporter why it is annoying to hear, but you’d have to be deaf dumb and blind, whilst living under a rock to not know.

Ooh look! It’s another non serious thread where the op makes ludicrous claims and then fucks off. 🙄

This is bollocks

It’s done op. They are already unelectable, they can’t come back from this. They will limp on till the next election, I would predict two more leaders in that time. Then it will be reform and Tory as the two parties.

there are some real hard core Labour supporters on here, where no matter how bad it gets, someone up thread even tried to claim they’ve only been in power for a year, it’s two years in July.

What a sorry picture you paint.

To take just your first point; you want all these people languishing on benefits, rather than having a society with a variety and abundance of jobs for all ages, experience and ability?

Invest in employers. They are not ‘ the rich’. They are the key to unlocking the doom spiral.

Oh excuse me, 2 years**

Still, sorry, what people are protest voting reform for, bar immigration i dont know

Labour havent done anything remotely left wing

I'd be amazed if people living on benefits don't want more money. There are millions of people who are ill, disabled, carers, who can barely make ends meet, pay their bills and eat without using foodbanks. Why would they not want more?
Similarly who living in a rented property doesn't want rights that give them more security, ensures the property is kept in good order and restricts extortionate rent increases?
And if everyone wants private landlords, it begs the question why the lists for affordable not for profit social housing are so long?
I can't imagine anyone with a job without much autonomy and authority who doesn't want protection from employers who might otherwise exploit or discriminate against them.
I trust you have evidence for your confident assertions to the contrary?

Working class people don't want this. They are not lame ducks. They don't want more benefits or more job security or renters rights. They are not charity cases. Those things are what Labour want to give them.
They want the opportunity to thrive. They want employers who make enough money to recruit. They want private landlords so they can have the option of cheap and not very cheerful or something better. They don't want net zero. They don't care about hereditary peers or private schools or nationalised railways. Labour care about those things. They don't care about immigrants but they want a level playing field. They don't want benefits being given to people who won't work or have just rocked up in the UK. They don't want to hear patronising bollocks about flags, Palestine or cross dressers.
They want small government. As we can very well see from how they have voted.

Employment reforms and rent reforms are going to have a lot of negative consequences.

The right wing press is having a field day with Miliband’s energy stuff and we’re all paying through the nose for energy.

They are dragging their feet disgracefully on the Supreme Court ruling, it’s an insult to women and girls, Harriet Harman is the horrible icing on that particularly unpalatable cake.

The NHS is in many ways unfixable by any government and giving it more funding simply produces a different set of negative headlines than not funding it. It isn’t possible to disguise the fact that it needs structural reform -
i dont blame this govt but they don’t get credit from voters for a bit more funding.

The u-turns, the tone-deafness, the lack of preparation in opposition, the all-round crapness of this government is plain to see.

The fact that they think we just need to be told
again what a good job they’re doing and then we’ll understand really demonstrates how incredibly hard they’re not listening to the country.

And of course your personal views reflect the whole uk population 🤷‍♀️. Or are you just talking about the 26% that voted reform?

And in that 2 years they have achieved:

• Settled major public sector pay disputes, including junior doctors, reducing strike action across parts of the NHS and public sector
• Increased NHS funding commitments and achieved modest reductions in waiting lists from post-pandemic peaks
• Introduced the Employment Rights Bill with stronger protections on dismissal, sick pay, zero-hours contracts and union rights
• Advanced renters’ reform legislation including abolition of Section 21 “no-fault” evictions in England
• Introduced planning reforms aimed at accelerating infrastructure and housebuilding
• Set a target to deliver 1.5 million homes during the parliament
• Began rail renationalisation by legislating to bring passenger services into public ownership as contracts expire
• Created Great British Energy as a publicly owned clean energy investment company
• Expanded support for renewable energy, grid upgrades, nuclear power and carbon capture projects
• Set a goal for a largely clean electricity system by 2030
• Created a National Wealth Fund intended to support industrial and infrastructure investment
• Announced major investment plans for apprenticeships, technical training and manufacturing skills
• Provided more multi-year funding settlements for government departments and public services
• Passed legislation removing hereditary peers from the House of Lords
• Improved diplomatic and operational relations with the EU compared with the post-Brexit period
• Scrapped the Rwanda asylum deportation scheme
• Increased focus on organised people-smuggling gangs and cross-border enforcement cooperation
• Launched a new statutory national inquiry into grooming gangs and institutional failures relating to child sexual exploitation
• Tightened planning rules around stalled development sites and some green belt areas near transport hubs
• Accelerated approvals for nationally significant infrastructure and energy projects
• Expanded state-led industrial strategy in areas including AI, energy and advanced manufacturing
• Maintained strong support for Ukraine and NATO commitments
• Increased defence spending commitments and emphasis on domestic defence manufacturing
• Introduced breakfast club expansion plans for primary schools
• Expanded childcare and school support commitments
• Began reform work on NHS digitisation and procurement processes
• Re-established more regular engagement structures with business groups and trade unions
• Committed additional investment into regional transport outside London, including buses and rail
• Strengthened enforcement plans around water company pollution and sewage discharges
• Advanced industrial strategy work tied to decarbonisation and energy security
• Introduced legislation to strengthen regulation of football club ownership and governance
• Expanded powers and resources targeting retail crime and antisocial behaviour
• Reversed some restrictions on onshore wind development in England
• Approved or accelerated several large renewable and energy infrastructure projects
• Increased cooperation with European partners on defence, migration and trade matters
• Introduced measures intended to speed up asylum decision processing
• Increased funding commitments for affordable and social housing programmes
• Established Skills England to coordinate national skills strategy and workforce planning
• Announced reforms intended to simplify planning for major infrastructure projects
• Strengthened commitments around AI regulation, AI safety and sovereign compute capacity
• Increased support commitments for semiconductor, battery and clean technology industries

Eg fucking LOADS.

I find it unbelievable that Starmer’s response was - ‘the public have spoken, and they are unhappy with the pace of change.’

Er, nope, that’s not it. Try again!

Next effort - ‘we are going to strengthen ties with Europe, and renew the scheme for youngsters to travel freely here for work.’

Even worse Starmer, that is literally no one’s priority and no one asked for that. Have one more go!

<wheels out Gordon Brown and Harriet Harman>

I mean, you couldn’t write it.

Working class people don't want this. They are not lame ducks. They don't want more benefits or more job security or renters rights. They are not charity cases. Those things are what Labour want to give them.
They want the opportunity to thrive. They want employers who make enough money to recruit. They want private landlords so they can have the option of cheap and not very cheerful or something better. They don't want net zero. They don't care about hereditary peers or private schools or nationalised railways. Labour care about those things. They don't care about immigrants but they want a level playing field. They don't want benefits being given to people who won't work or have just rocked up in the UK. They don't want to hear patronising bollocks about flags, Palestine or cross dressers.
They want small government. As we can very well see from how they have voted.

And in that 2 years they have achieved:

• Settled major public sector pay disputes, including junior doctors, reducing strike action across parts of the NHS and public sector
• Increased NHS funding commitments and achieved modest reductions in waiting lists from post-pandemic peaks
• Introduced the Employment Rights Bill with stronger protections on dismissal, sick pay, zero-hours contracts and union rights
• Advanced renters’ reform legislation including abolition of Section 21 “no-fault” evictions in England
• Introduced planning reforms aimed at accelerating infrastructure and housebuilding
• Set a target to deliver 1.5 million homes during the parliament
• Began rail renationalisation by legislating to bring passenger services into public ownership as contracts expire
• Created Great British Energy as a publicly owned clean energy investment company
• Expanded support for renewable energy, grid upgrades, nuclear power and carbon capture projects
• Set a goal for a largely clean electricity system by 2030
• Created a National Wealth Fund intended to support industrial and infrastructure investment
• Announced major investment plans for apprenticeships, technical training and manufacturing skills
• Provided more multi-year funding settlements for government departments and public services
• Passed legislation removing hereditary peers from the House of Lords
• Improved diplomatic and operational relations with the EU compared with the post-Brexit period
• Scrapped the Rwanda asylum deportation scheme
• Increased focus on organised people-smuggling gangs and cross-border enforcement cooperation
• Launched a new statutory national inquiry into grooming gangs and institutional failures relating to child sexual exploitation
• Tightened planning rules around stalled development sites and some green belt areas near transport hubs
• Accelerated approvals for nationally significant infrastructure and energy projects
• Expanded state-led industrial strategy in areas including AI, energy and advanced manufacturing
• Maintained strong support for Ukraine and NATO commitments
• Increased defence spending commitments and emphasis on domestic defence manufacturing
• Introduced breakfast club expansion plans for primary schools
• Expanded childcare and school support commitments
• Began reform work on NHS digitisation and procurement processes
• Re-established more regular engagement structures with business groups and trade unions
• Committed additional investment into regional transport outside London, including buses and rail
• Strengthened enforcement plans around water company pollution and sewage discharges
• Advanced industrial strategy work tied to decarbonisation and energy security
• Introduced legislation to strengthen regulation of football club ownership and governance
• Expanded powers and resources targeting retail crime and antisocial behaviour
• Reversed some restrictions on onshore wind development in England
• Approved or accelerated several large renewable and energy infrastructure projects
• Increased cooperation with European partners on defence, migration and trade matters
• Introduced measures intended to speed up asylum decision processing
• Increased funding commitments for affordable and social housing programmes
• Established Skills England to coordinate national skills strategy and workforce planning
• Announced reforms intended to simplify planning for major infrastructure projects
• Strengthened commitments around AI regulation, AI safety and sovereign compute capacity
• Increased support commitments for semiconductor, battery and clean technology industries

Eg fucking LOADS.

But that isn’t only in the last two years.
Austerity instilled by a Conservative government left such big cuts. My LA had to save millions £3-4,5) year on year. They did that by cutting services (and then having to out source to the private sector when there was no service left to meet statutory responsibilities, shareholders love it! )

Benefit claimants who can work, mortgage rises - all been happening for much longer than the Labour tenure.