Is a more left Labour government what people want?

Only if they want the one after that to be actual Nazis.

What you are seeing with Reform is whiplash. The harder the pull left, the stronger the rebound to thr right will be.

’too many simple minded people who did not go to university’.

Keep digging.

Far left extremist 😂

If more people were educated and employed critical thinking they would want a far-left Labour Government. Unfortunately we have too many simple-minded people who did not go to university and they all read the Right Wing Press so we are where we are. It's sad IMO.

Good, hopefully more far left extremists will follow you out.

Nope. The economy is in the doldrums due to more than a decade of shocks to it, starting with the 2008 financial crisis, followed by Brexit, Covid, Ukraine/Russia, Trump's trade wars and now Iran.

There's a reason why the Tories allowed immigration to increase despite always rallying against it, and it generally being unpopular - because it was economically necessary.

It is positively moronic to think that governments, on the left and right, have allowed high immigration - to their political detriment - just "because".

I've left the UK and, although I want what's best for it, I'm kind of looking forward to when Reform voters slowly realize that they've been played for fools, yet again. Your lives will get even more miserable, and you will deserve it.

The Labour party has forgotten who they were originally meant to represent. Those who earned a living through their labour and to support those who were temporarily unable to do so, by providing support until they were back on their feet and could look after themselves.

Yes there were also the profoundly physically and mentally disabled who would need assistance, but now the word "disabled" has in modern times been stretched and stretched to include people that 10 years ago would never have been described as such, to the extent that the country will bankrupt itself trying to provide extra finance to them if we continue like this.

The Labour Party is now a party supported by idealistic young people who think that we can have utopia where no one is poor, everyone living in an upcoming area with plenty of artisan shop and cafes to meet up in, or slumming it in an inner city area thinking how cool and with the masses they are. Or middle aged people living the dream of good meaningful career, own house in suburbia or a trendy London borough or similar trendy city, now paid for, supporting 2 bright children through university and expecting a decent private pension to live on comfortably when retired. Or an elder person who benefited from grammer school education, free higher education, great jobs market and easily affordable housing whether rental or home ownership and happily accepting a triple lock state pension

Now there are so many people earning just above minimum wage and don't qualify for any benefits, who can't afford more than one child, when they would ideally like 2 or maybe even three. They despair that everything is getting much harder, but especially for them. Not earning enough to be not worry about unexpected bills, childcare, rent increases mortgage increases etc. But earning too little to be able to get any of the assistance provided to those that earn a bit less than them, or to any of the funding given to those that don't want to work at all and can provide all the right answers in asessments. Especially when to be able to take home the same amount of money given to those that don't work or do the minimum hours possible, they would need a gross salary higher than they could ever achieve.

And to have shouted at them when they complain about the bitter unfairness of it all, that all of those that don't work deserve all this
largesse but the worker receiving nothing doesn't. They have 3 or more children and need extra help so the two child UC benefit cap must be lifted, but you who wanted two children let alone 3 must be grateful for your one child, if that, and carry on working and paying your taxes so that the government can give to those not working but wanting child 2, 3, 4 etc.

So when the Labour party tried, to start doing something about the above, tried to keep the 2 child UC benefit cap in place, tried not to give the winter fuel allowance to pensioners that didn't need it, tried to start a long overdue reform of entitlement to benefits, the left in the labour party screamed howls of outrage.

Now after their drubbing in the local elections, backbenchers think it's a good idea to tack even further left and alienate the fewer and fewer average and lower average earning working people not receiving any benefits.

And adding insult to injury who are they currently proposing as a new leader if they can get rid of Starmer? Ed Milliband! The person who became the party leader years ago after shafting his brother David, and when he lost an election then proposed Corbyn as the new leader . Where did that get us?

I think the Labour Party has a death wish and maybe we might as well let them have their way, or will they eventually take serious stock of their situation and more importantly the current unravelling of the country with the left behind, just getting by, middle?

It’s a myth and a lie that lower immigration is bad for the economy. A total con.

If high immigration was a good thing, out economy would be roaring now. The higher immigration gets, the worse the economy becomes. That’s the truth and the actual trend. Anything else is a lie.

The country is asking for lower immigration, lower taxes and economic growth.
Which is just fantasy. Lower immigration will mean higher taxes and slower growth.

Reform voters and Green voters are just different flavors of fantasits, angrily demanding their unicorns.

The far left shouty types here will tell you yes. Something about billionaires, something or other. The usual same sixth form repetition.

But the country is saying no.

The country is asking for lower immigration, lower taxes and economic growth. But Labour will now lurch to the far left chasing the Green vote. You know, the same people who want to legalise class A drugs, abolish prisons, open the borders totally with no restrictions, bring in gender self ID, increase taxes to give other countries billions in climate reparations, tax your travel, give even more free money to people who contribute nothing.

So, good luck.

Same. DH and I were both born here, but our girls can get an EU passport and study and live elsewhere. Much as I would miss them, I think they might do better abroad. Hopefully things will improve here, but if they don't I'm glad they have an alternative option. Things feel much harder than they were a few years ago, and I'm aware it could get worse if we go far left or far right. Hopefully good financial sense will prevail and the country will stabilise

When I think back to the 2012 Olympics or even when I was in my 20's in the 90's. I was really proud of being British ,( I'm a second generation British Asian so not White)I feel so sad. I have gone from never wanting to live anywhere else in the world to telling my children they should go elsewhere because I don't think they can have a good life here. It feels like we're in a death spiral.

Following up on my earlier post, about L v R being the wrong framing, David Blunkett has published a piece in The Sun Times/ Times this evening saying much the same thing, but better.

"The rejection of the political process is as much about people’s experience in their daily lives as it is about any ideological differences with the party in power. They want commonsense change that improves their lives; they want to see bureaucracy rooted out and replaced with a can-do attitude."

Quite a few yes posts. Whether it’ll help Labour at all is another thing.

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Yes but they weren’t eligible for votes in all areas. The movement was to vote “as far right as possible” by those wanting to prove a point to labour from the rights perspective.

On public spending.

Most of it is on pensions, and that spend is going to grow exponentially as our population continues to age. We need pension reform but even means testing of the winter fuel allowance was so unpopular, Labour felt forced to backtrack.

Then, there's PIP and alike. The UK has extremely high levels of health benefit claims compared to other countries, in a manner that is completely unsustainable - Starmer wanted to cut that, but his party rebelled.

Honestly, he probably had the right ideas, but they are extremely bitter pills to swallow, and he doesn't have the skill to sell them - and whichever government does finally tackle these issues (and the longer they persist, the more dramatic the remedy will need to be) will likely meet a similar fate.

Sadly, the social media age means simple-minded, rage-bait politics is what sells.

Personally, I have always wavered around the centre. I could cope with some movement right or left if the prevailing government made sensible decisions and stuck to them. The referendum on the EU was not sensible. Nor was appointing Mandelson, to name but an example each. There are many more.

What I want is a leader who leads. I don't need to agree with all the decisions, I do need to feel like there is a backbone and not a wishbone.

Of course, it would be useful if the electorate understood that Rome wasn't built in a day, and did some research into the policies and history of those they were voting for, but the fact that they don't puts more onus on whoever is in the chair to articulate what they stand for, and what they can / cannot do much more effectively than we have seen in the last ten years or so.