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AIBU to stay in the UK rather than move back to Switzerland?

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Swissandconfused · 10/05/2026 16:13

I've been living in the UK for 12 years with my husband and DC . I'm originally from Switzerland, came for Erasmus at uni, met my husband and got a job....the usual! We live in a lovely part of the country in England and are very happy.

However people keep saying to me "surely Switzerland is much better, why would you stay here" etc etc..
I'm starting to think it might be better long term but we're so happy here, my son has lots of friends and we both have good jobs. AIBU to throw it all away? I'm really really scared to mess up the good things we have. I'm from a small alpine valley which is absolutely beautiful but the people can be very very insular and close minded and this bothered me my entire life when living there. I find living in the UK quite freeing. Also job wise it would be difficult. My son is bilingual so that would be fine but I'm afraid he'll find it hard to integrate.

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Trickedbyadoughnut · 11/05/2026 15:10

You have given no reason to move back to Switzerland, other than that people (who probably have never lived in Switzerland) think you should. I mean, that's just madness - why would you even consider it just because people say you should?

KatiePricesKnickers · 11/05/2026 15:05

Scarlettjune · 11/05/2026 14:26

Going by what statistics?

There have been a lot of anti-immigration protests in England, in the last couple of years.

And? There have been loads of pro-Palestinian marches and the vast majority of the country are not pro-Palestinian.

None of my Indian National, Romanian, Polish, Spanish or even Korean friends have ever mentioned anything anti-immigrate being said to them, or their kids.

Are there incidents taking place? Of course.
Is it as bad as you seem desperate to prove, no.

StudyinBlue · 11/05/2026 14:58

As a lot of people said a lot of people have a very idealised view of Switzerland. My mother is Swiss so have relatives there and have spent a lot of time there.

It is a beautiful country but eye wateringly expensive and as other people have said generally a very rigid and conservative country. The fact that women didn’t get the vote until 1971 says it all to me!!! In fact it wasn’t until 1990 that women in Alpenzell gained full voting rights. 🙀

HundredMilesAnHour · 11/05/2026 14:50

I’m English and used to work for a global company that is headquartered in Switzerland so have spent years working with native Swiss people as well as non-Swiss (living and working there). When I first started that job, I was very open to the idea of relocation at some point and had no real expectations of what working with the Swiss would be like. But I’ve lived and/or worked in a number of other countries (from China to France to the US) so I was pretty relaxed about the whole thing and thought how hard can it be?

What I learnt from that job is that (most) Swiss people and I do not get along well. I find them very rigid and lacking in creativity with completely closed minds. There is the Swiss way (as is detailed in a very extensive manual somewhere) and no other way is ever considered. I’m not sure some of them even acknowledge other ways of doing things actually exist. I have no doubt that they find working with me as frustrating as I find working them. The idea that we can do a good job and have fun at the same time is completely alien to them. Quite frankly, I found it much easier to integrate into China!

Scarlettjune · 11/05/2026 14:26

NoGarlic · 11/05/2026 13:43

although Britain has its issues, it is one of the most tolerant countries in the world

Couldn't agree more. Thank you for saying this.

Going by what statistics?

There have been a lot of anti-immigration protests in England, in the last couple of years.

LIZS · 11/05/2026 14:17

Also former CH expat. People have a very naive view of Swiss life. It is not all Heidi-esque, mountains and wooden chalets. Yes it is green and clean, outdoorsy, quality seasonal food, trains run on time but it comes at some cost, financially, socially, politically and living under strict rules which are all too easy to flout inadvertently. Summers hot and winters harsh and bitterly cold. Diversity and tolerance are not universal sadly.

BunnyLake · 11/05/2026 13:48

pinkspeakers · 11/05/2026 13:47

My husband is Dutch. He came here as a graduate student and has now been here over 30 years. He sees plenty of advantanges to being in the UK over the Netherlands. Obviously one of those advantages is me and I don't whether he might have returned by now if he had entered a relationship with a British woman, but he has never once given any indication that he might like to return to the Netherlands, even though in many ways it has a higher standard of living.

Is he very tall?😁

pinkspeakers · 11/05/2026 13:47

My husband is Dutch. He came here as a graduate student and has now been here over 30 years. He sees plenty of advantanges to being in the UK over the Netherlands. Obviously one of those advantages is me and I don't whether he might have returned by now if he had entered a relationship with a British woman, but he has never once given any indication that he might like to return to the Netherlands, even though in many ways it has a higher standard of living.

NoGarlic · 11/05/2026 13:43

Trinketmarch · 11/05/2026 13:07

What you're seeing on this thread sort of reflects on what you are experiencing in real life, OP. People who've never lived anywhere else often think Britain is uniquely bad in some way, but they don't have a good barometer to compare with the rest of the world. IME although Britain has its issues, it is one of the most tolerant countries in the world.

although Britain has its issues, it is one of the most tolerant countries in the world

Couldn't agree more. Thank you for saying this.

BunnyLake · 11/05/2026 13:43

Nannydoodles · 11/05/2026 13:34

I have a daughter who moved to Zurich from London several years ago and has made it her home but I think given the choice she would move back to the Uk in a heartbeat, however her husband was born there, and wants to stay for now at least.
Yes it is stunningly beautiful, clean and safe but I personally find it a bit dull to be honest, the people seem quite serious and law abiding which obviously has it’s good points but overall I think I like a certain edginess and excitement in life.
As for the food, mainly carbs and meat! Yes there are Indian, Chinese restaurants etc to be found but nowhere as good as what we are used to here.
The last few comments have sidetracked the thread a bit, everywhere has a mix of good and not so nice people but overall I think good people heavily outweigh the bad in the UK, however however the bad often make more of an impression.

I agree there’s a dullness/sterility about Switzerland (but very beautiful) and I’m at a stage in my life where I don’t want anymore excitement. So for me beauty and safety before edginess. But I can’t afford to move back there. The Swiss cuisine is bloody awful though 😁

Scarlettjune · 11/05/2026 13:38

Nannydoodles · 11/05/2026 13:34

I have a daughter who moved to Zurich from London several years ago and has made it her home but I think given the choice she would move back to the Uk in a heartbeat, however her husband was born there, and wants to stay for now at least.
Yes it is stunningly beautiful, clean and safe but I personally find it a bit dull to be honest, the people seem quite serious and law abiding which obviously has it’s good points but overall I think I like a certain edginess and excitement in life.
As for the food, mainly carbs and meat! Yes there are Indian, Chinese restaurants etc to be found but nowhere as good as what we are used to here.
The last few comments have sidetracked the thread a bit, everywhere has a mix of good and not so nice people but overall I think good people heavily outweigh the bad in the UK, however however the bad often make more of an impression.

Are you from the UK? If you are from the UK, you don't see the really bad people.

I was watching a video the other day called "the most racist town in England". You should watch it. The things they came out with was shocking.

Anyway back to OP. I always say : live where you are happy. If you are happy where you are, then maybe stay there

NoGarlic · 11/05/2026 13:37

I've also lived in Switzerland - Lausanne, the nicest city imo, and cosmopolitan by Swiss standards. It was a long time ago now but I have family there and, going by their updates, things haven't changed fundamentally. I found it boring in the ways PP have mentioned.

Above all, I found it very regimented. There's a right way of doing things; nobody even considers another way. There's a right time for everything (even local laws about when you may do what), everybody does everything at the same time.

This really suits some people. Not me. My Swiss family's considered creative and unconventional, but still do everything the right way at the right times! If you want a life that literally runs like clockwork, spend your free time hiking up mountains and love cheese, it's a great place. If you enjoy pushing a few boundaries, it is not.

I love the cellar bunkers, though, and was fascinated by the military regularly disappearing inside mountains 😄 Few people realise Swiss military service is mandatory for men.

Nannydoodles · 11/05/2026 13:34

I have a daughter who moved to Zurich from London several years ago and has made it her home but I think given the choice she would move back to the Uk in a heartbeat, however her husband was born there, and wants to stay for now at least.
Yes it is stunningly beautiful, clean and safe but I personally find it a bit dull to be honest, the people seem quite serious and law abiding which obviously has it’s good points but overall I think I like a certain edginess and excitement in life.
As for the food, mainly carbs and meat! Yes there are Indian, Chinese restaurants etc to be found but nowhere as good as what we are used to here.
The last few comments have sidetracked the thread a bit, everywhere has a mix of good and not so nice people but overall I think good people heavily outweigh the bad in the UK, however however the bad often make more of an impression.

BunnyLake · 11/05/2026 13:26

Scarlettjune · 11/05/2026 13:01

No I haven't been unlucky. I have experienced the same thing that many people in my city have experienced.

I’m genuinely sorry you’ve had very negative experiences. I personally would never treat another decent, civilised person badly, no matter what colour, country, religion etc they are.

Scarlettjune · 11/05/2026 13:24

BunnyLake · 11/05/2026 13:15

‘All foreigners’ is a pretty loaded couple of words. No country is friendly to ‘all foreigners’. It very much depends on who they are, why they’re in a foreign country (not just the UK) and what their vibe is.

I was replying to the poster that wrote

"English (or British) people, by and large, are very welcoming."

That was a ridiculous comment. There is a huge amount of racism in England. The same as there is in every country.

I have also seen a lot of unkindness from rich English people to poor English people in my city. They seem to think that it is their fault they are poor. These certain rich people will only mix with other rich people. There is a lot of coldness and unfriendliness around where I live. There are of course some nice people. But I have seen a lot of coldness and nastiness I have to say.

BunnyLake · 11/05/2026 13:15

Scarlettjune · 11/05/2026 12:59

Im kind of shocked to read your post to be honest.
You can't really think that England is lovely and welcoming to all foreigners? That is not the reality at all.

‘All foreigners’ is a pretty loaded couple of words. No country is friendly to ‘all foreigners’. It very much depends on who they are, why they’re in a foreign country (not just the UK) and what their vibe is.

Thechaseison71 · 11/05/2026 13:08

Scarlettjune · 10/05/2026 16:54

"As a Brit, used to having a huge variety of cultures and ethnicities and their influences around me, "

Lol where do you live? In a big British city?

It is definitely not multi cultutlral al over Britain.

I lived in Norfolk, it was predominantly white there.

I now live in a small town on the South coast of England. Again, its very white and clicky. The white British definitely do not mix with the foreigners

In some places the non white people don't mix with white people

Trinketmarch · 11/05/2026 13:07

What you're seeing on this thread sort of reflects on what you are experiencing in real life, OP. People who've never lived anywhere else often think Britain is uniquely bad in some way, but they don't have a good barometer to compare with the rest of the world. IME although Britain has its issues, it is one of the most tolerant countries in the world.

EvelynBeatrice · 11/05/2026 13:05

If you’re happy in the U.K. for now and all healthy, why not stay put. However as you age or if you get ill, you may wish to reconsider the benefits of being somewhere with a functioning health service.

Scarlettjune · 11/05/2026 13:05

Swissandconfused · 11/05/2026 13:03

I'm very sorry to hear that- not nice at all.

Thank you.

Scarlettjune · 11/05/2026 13:04

Swissandconfused · 11/05/2026 13:02

Just to make clear, I obviously don't think absolutely everyone is super kind in the UK. Of course, as absolutely everywhere, you get nice people, and not so nice people. I am not saying at all that previous posters experiences are invalid at all. I am just surprised as to date, (and hopefully not in the future either), this has not been my experience.

As a Swiss person, you would be low down on the list of someone that would receive abuse in the UK.

Some English people think that Swiss people are all rich.

I have seen some English people stereotypically abuse Asians and Eastern Europeans - as they think that they are all poor and are over here stealing jobs etc

Swissandconfused · 11/05/2026 13:03

Scarlettjune · 11/05/2026 13:01

No I haven't been unlucky. I have experienced the same thing that many people in my city have experienced.

I'm very sorry to hear that- not nice at all.

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Swissandconfused · 11/05/2026 13:02

Just to make clear, I obviously don't think absolutely everyone is super kind in the UK. Of course, as absolutely everywhere, you get nice people, and not so nice people. I am not saying at all that previous posters experiences are invalid at all. I am just surprised as to date, (and hopefully not in the future either), this has not been my experience.

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Scarlettjune · 11/05/2026 13:01

Swissandconfused · 11/05/2026 12:58

I think you have been really unlucky there to be honest.

No I haven't been unlucky. I have experienced the same thing that many people in my city have experienced.

Scarlettjune · 11/05/2026 13:00

KatiePricesKnickers · 11/05/2026 12:59

Or they are full of shit.

Full of shit!

Oh my god

Do a quick google search and you will find thousands of news stories, about people experiencing xenophobia and racism in england