The Left have a become a snivelling self-righteous mob, busy bodying around, trying to shame others

As someone who is politically quite central….

to be clear OP, you complain that all right wind reform voters are labelled as being the same then promptly label left wing voters as the same…. Right…..

I would describe myself as 'old labour' and certainly don't think unfettered immigration is a good thing (and, incidentally, isn't what's happening - net migration has fallen from close to a million to under 200k in the last couple of years).

Questions around how many people are in the country, where they come from, what skills they have etc. are really complicated, and cut across everything else - pensions, healthcare, economic growth etc. It's been done to death, but one key factor is that our low birth rate, combined with people living longer, is stressing state pensions, the NHS and a few other things.

'Importing' people so that that demographic makeup changes has worked in some ways but not others. I'm not daft enough to think that cultural integration is a non-issue, but some of the frothing about (particularly) Islam, under cover of 'legitimate concern', is old-school race hate straight out of the 1930s play book. How on earth has this become our main political football when there's so much else going on.

For the avoidance of doubt, Somerford, and unlike the PP, I don't give a monkeys what you think.

I hope I've made that clear.

You wrote:

we should really be angry at (billionaires)

Ok, go ahead. How does that help. As I asked. The billionaires are leaving, how much richer are you as a result?

If they all left, do you think you will be richer.

Same here. I'll be fine, I'm a few years of retirement, when I die, my kids will be loaded. A conservative government works fine for me personally. Reform, who knows.

My mum still lives on the estate I grew up on. I won't say exactly where but it's faintly notorious, and there have been riots on a few occasions that have made the news. There's a cliche that 90% of people who live there are decent, and it's the other 10% that ruin it, and from what I've seen that's true.

Anyway, throughout my long adult life, I've been able to see that things have got better for the decent, (mostly) hardworking, but disadvantaged people on that state when there's been a labour government, and things have gone to shit when the Tories have been in power. It's that more than anything else that informs my views - the government should seek to reduce the worst excesses of capitalism, we should pay more money for better public services, there should be a safety net for the poorest, and the best off (which includes me at this point) should bear a disproportionate share of the burden.

It's almost as if there right can't believe that people care about anyone other than themselves.

I'm accusing you of saying and doing nothing to refute that poster, which is true. You replied to me in a heart beat saying that she (i presume) is only one person and not representative of the left, so I pointed out that you weren't at all motivated to reply with refutation or condemnation. You had the time and opportunity to refute that person's posts if you found them abhorrent, as evidence by how quickly you responded to me. I simply pointed out which posts get you animated you and which ones seemingly don't.

I'm accusing you of saying and doing nothing to refute that poster, which is true. You replied to me in a heart beat saying that she (i presume) is only one person and not representative of the left, so I pointed out that you weren't at all motivated to reply with refutation or condemnation. You had the time and opportunity to refute that person's posts if you found them abhorrent, as evidence by how quickly you responded to me. I simply pointed out which posts get you animated you and which ones seemingly don't.

It's ironic to complain about nastiness from the left, given that you've started a whole thread that's inspired by nastiness yourself. But whatever.

I certainly wouldn't say I'm inconsolable. I'm frustrated but resigned.

It's sad to watch a country that you love take the wrong direction, and there is something rather pitiful about people who are already disadvantaged being manipulated into voting for people who are going to make their lives much worse. But increasingly, my sympathy is waning, and there is a growing part of me that thinks fuck them, let them have what they think they want and they can then stew in a cesspit of their own making. People ultimately get the governments that they deserve.

I am fortunate in that I have money and options, so I won't be too badly affected by the worst of it. I do feel incredibly sorry for those who don't want Reform and don't have the privileges that will enable them to weather the storm, but I am gradually starting to accept that there isn't actually much that I can do to help them at this point.

Not at all unless you are looking for offence. What are you accusing me of, exactly? Disdain for the working classes? Absolutely not. As I said, that poster was being dealt with effectively by another person. When I came on, you had just attacked everyone by saying we were all like that, so I was pointing out we weren’t. You got deleted for that attack, I see.

Ha ha - I see the utterly nasty side of the left has been awoken now. Poor things, it's been a tough old few days. They must be inconsolable behind closed doors.

I didn't say you were required to respond to every post, I just pointed out that you hadn't felt the need to reply to this particular poster's awful posts but you jumped on mine within minutes. As I said, interesting.

I’m not required to respond to every post. Another poster was in discussion with that poster and doing an excellent job at refuting her. I sent her thanks and agreement responses. But obviously I’m a horrible person because I chose not to weigh in myself. What was that about the left being self righteous and shaming people again?

I just want to clarify by the way that when I stated that they could be safely ignored, I meant the anti-immigration and pro-patriotism aspect of the white working class. Not every person from that particular community. Don't take me out of context please.

Ha ha - I see the utterly nasty side of the left has been awoken now. Poor things, it's been a tough old few days. They must be inconsolable behind closed doors.

Ha ha - I see the utterly nasty side of the left has been awoken now. Poor things, it's been a tough old few days. They must be inconsolable behind closed doors.