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The Left have a become a snivelling self-righteous mob, busy bodying around, trying to shame others

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Northermcharn · 09/05/2026 18:17

I read this quote and it encapsulates exactly how I feel

'I never thought I'd see the day when the Right became the cool ones giving the finger to the establishment, and the Left became the snivelling self-righteous ones going around shaming everybody'

AIBU to think this is what many people think these days? We didn't leave the left, the left left us.

*the quote is from John Lydon aka Johnny Rotten. He's deliberately provocative in lots of ways, but he meant this one. I fully expect some people to come on the thread to tell us all how he's a horror and said he likes Donald Trump. That would be them missing the point.. but.. Let Them..

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TempestTost · 11/05/2026 03:12

It's interesting, there has been a flip for sure.

Lots of things that used to be associated with left hippy or counter-cultural types now seem, for example concern about big Pharma, the left now seem to be all over. I have friends who were considered massive granola hippies in the ,90s, who had parents who were actual hippy draft dodgers who built houses in the forest, who today are read as "right wing" by many because of their suspicion of big Pharma.

There used to be a massive faction of lefty home educators worried about the state basically indoctrinating their kids, not the Lefty's think home educating is bad because the state won't get the chance to indoctrinate kids.

I think the correct conclusion is it is cyclical. And the culturally dominate view will always tend to attract people who are fundamentally of a more conservative personality, in the sense that they just tend to accept whatever tribal l beliefs are dominant. Whether they reflexively believe left or right wing ideas doesn't matter.

OneTealShaker · 11/05/2026 01:13

38thparallel · 11/05/2026 00:51

We should be angry at billionaires. No one person needs that much money.
@ReginaPhalange1989

How should we show this anger towards billionaires?
What is the maximum amount of money one person can have?

£999,999 is ok, apparently.

These people are comedians.

OneTealShaker · 11/05/2026 01:12

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Really showing yourself up there, as a hysterical, shouty far left extremist. True to form.

sleepwouldbenice · 11/05/2026 01:04

Northermcharn · 10/05/2026 18:23

What??

To repeat

you moan that all right wingers are (wrongly) classed as thick, racists etc

then promptly group all left wingers together and insult them as one collective group

and you don’t see the irony

That’s what….

38thparallel · 11/05/2026 00:51

We should be angry at billionaires. No one person needs that much money.
@ReginaPhalange1989

How should we show this anger towards billionaires?
What is the maximum amount of money one person can have?

AChunkOfPurestGreenMilady · 10/05/2026 23:15

John Lyndon? Expat sell-out says what now? Anything for a bit of coverage ...

ILikeDinosaurs · 10/05/2026 23:06

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OneTealShaker · 10/05/2026 22:39

ILikeDinosaurs · 10/05/2026 22:27

How very obvious you don't have an answer to any of my points.

What points? You didn’t make any.

ILikeDinosaurs · 10/05/2026 22:27

OneTealShaker · 10/05/2026 22:02

how very coherent and mature. Not.
More like the views of a sixth former.

How very obvious you don't have an answer to any of my points.

OneTealShaker · 10/05/2026 22:02

ILikeDinosaurs · 10/05/2026 20:52

Who decides that? Why do you get to say how munch money someone has or needs. and how does someone else having less money mean you get more.

There's no such thing as an ethical billionaire. Billionaires exist because somewhere along the way they have underpaid, undercut, and ripped off people. And yes, we CAN say that. They have TOO MUCH money and too much power.

Everyone being equally poor is the left’s thing.

What a load of sh!te.

how very coherent and mature. Not.
More like the views of a sixth former.

HeyHoHenryHippy · 10/05/2026 21:31

Northermcharn · 10/05/2026 17:07

Agreed 100%. 'The white working classes can safely be ignored'. We have the context and the sentiment. Thanks Bella.

'InstantlyBella · Today 11:02
The voters will naturally switch over to the Green Party, who are more sympathetic to the plight of minorities both here and overseas.
But ultimately, if you claim to be someone of the left, you need to put all Party politics aside and come together to invite as many people to this island as you can before 2028. Get everybody naturalised and start aggressively marketing policies that these people genuinely are concerned about. The white working class can safely be ignored, they are a diminishing demographic and this is their final act of defiance against what is good for them.
That is what needs to happen. Hopefully the left can see the bigger picture and come together to make the future we all want a certainty.
5MinuteArgument · Today 10:56
I think this is actually the thinking behind govts who have enabled mass immigration, from Blair onwards: import the next generations of voters.
Trouble is you get a reaction, which we are seeing now in the success of Reform and the loss of votes for Labour. Ironically even Tony Blair has come out and said we need to get a grip on our borders.
InstantlyBella · Today 10:05
If it was up to me, I would open the borders for the next few years leading up to the next national election and give citizenship to every single person who comes here. Make sure they drown out Reform's votership completely.
Then the right will never get anywhere in UK politics ever again.'

Wow.

Hoping for the downfall of the country, self loathing, hatred of white 'colonisers' really sums up some on the left. Is there nothing about the UK you like @InstantlyBella

HeyHoHenryHippy · 10/05/2026 21:25

OneTealShaker · 09/05/2026 18:23

Yes the left are now woman hating, working class hating, country hating, just generally a hating bunch of people. Always moaning, always complaining, as usual pulling everyone down to their level.

Working class warriors, they ain’t.

This.

The Green Party used to be cool. Its now trans loving, women hating, but Gaza blah blah and hate anything successful

ReginaPhalange1989 · 10/05/2026 21:22

OneTealShaker · 10/05/2026 20:10

Who decides that? Why do you get to say how munch money someone has or needs. and how does someone else having less money mean you get more. You know that it’s not a zero sum game?

Maybe focus less on being angry and bitter about others having more and focus on what it takes to lift everyone up. You know, like growing the whole pie. But, that’s not very leftist, is it. Everyone being equally poor is the left’s thing.

I am not angry or bitter. I don't want more, nor am I jealous. It was a personal opinion of mine that seems to have enraged you.

What about the rest of my post? Are you interested in discussion and debate?

ILikeDinosaurs · 10/05/2026 20:52

OneTealShaker · 10/05/2026 20:10

Who decides that? Why do you get to say how munch money someone has or needs. and how does someone else having less money mean you get more. You know that it’s not a zero sum game?

Maybe focus less on being angry and bitter about others having more and focus on what it takes to lift everyone up. You know, like growing the whole pie. But, that’s not very leftist, is it. Everyone being equally poor is the left’s thing.

Who decides that? Why do you get to say how munch money someone has or needs. and how does someone else having less money mean you get more.

There's no such thing as an ethical billionaire. Billionaires exist because somewhere along the way they have underpaid, undercut, and ripped off people. And yes, we CAN say that. They have TOO MUCH money and too much power.

Everyone being equally poor is the left’s thing.

What a load of sh!te.

OneTealShaker · 10/05/2026 20:10

ReginaPhalange1989 · 10/05/2026 16:32

We should be angry at billionaires. No one person needs that much money.

Who decides that? Why do you get to say how munch money someone has or needs. and how does someone else having less money mean you get more. You know that it’s not a zero sum game?

Maybe focus less on being angry and bitter about others having more and focus on what it takes to lift everyone up. You know, like growing the whole pie. But, that’s not very leftist, is it. Everyone being equally poor is the left’s thing.

Smeuse · 10/05/2026 18:51

Papyrophile · 10/05/2026 18:35

I've never seen anything to suggest that Labour saw immigration as shipping in client voters (though they may have appreciated the happy accident). Free movement is a non-negotiable of EU membership, so unless they were going to take us out in 2004, when the Eastern European countries joined, it was inevitable.

The Labour governments of 1997 to 2008 did nothing to control the flood of east Europeans to the UK. In my mum's street, a cul de sac of 16 houses in Banbury, the road was inundated overnight. They were mostly lovely people, but they have moved on and bought their own houses for the families they now have.

Those Eastern Europeans were either renting those houses or bought them, what is the issue there?

Were those 16 houses empty before they arrived overnight?

AStonedRose · 10/05/2026 18:49

Papyrophile · 10/05/2026 18:35

I've never seen anything to suggest that Labour saw immigration as shipping in client voters (though they may have appreciated the happy accident). Free movement is a non-negotiable of EU membership, so unless they were going to take us out in 2004, when the Eastern European countries joined, it was inevitable.

The Labour governments of 1997 to 2008 did nothing to control the flood of east Europeans to the UK. In my mum's street, a cul de sac of 16 houses in Banbury, the road was inundated overnight. They were mostly lovely people, but they have moved on and bought their own houses for the families they now have.

I’m not understanding your complaint. Some ‘lovely people’ moved to the UK and had families here?

You think that’s a bad thing?

Whatafustercluck · 10/05/2026 18:47

Locutus2000 · 10/05/2026 12:15

No, but they have learned from the US that if you just keep screaming the same misinformation often enough a proportion of the population will fall for it.

I think online echo chambers also create the false illusion that everyone thinks the same as them. A meme is shared that can be disproved quite quickly with the bare minimum of research, yet it's reposted thousands of times as the truth, and nobody seems to possess any critical thinking skills to question it.

Papyrophile · 10/05/2026 18:35

I've never seen anything to suggest that Labour saw immigration as shipping in client voters (though they may have appreciated the happy accident). Free movement is a non-negotiable of EU membership, so unless they were going to take us out in 2004, when the Eastern European countries joined, it was inevitable.

The Labour governments of 1997 to 2008 did nothing to control the flood of east Europeans to the UK. In my mum's street, a cul de sac of 16 houses in Banbury, the road was inundated overnight. They were mostly lovely people, but they have moved on and bought their own houses for the families they now have.

Nospringchix · 10/05/2026 18:31

ILikeDinosaurs · 09/05/2026 18:56

And the right are not woman-hating? You clearly know nothing of Reform's policies! (Proving the adage that the right are thick)..

Reform wants to scrap the Equality act, meaning women will have no equal rights at work, no right to equal pay, no maternity protections, they have voted against increasing protections against violence for women and girls, including the right to not have their drinks spiked or photos taken without permission, they have called for a tax on childless women, less protection for women in DV cases, and I can go on and on.

They are a bunch of men who are sick in the head, and the women who support them... well I just don't understand them at all.

Now tell me, who are the hateful ones?

I couldn't agree more. I am older now, but I would worry about my nieces futures under a Reform government. They would lose protections that I have taken for granted in my lifetime.
The fact that people think the left are woman haters would make me laugh if it wasn't so scary.

Papyrophile · 10/05/2026 18:25

The older I get, the more I lament the idiocy delivered by our "education".

Northermcharn · 10/05/2026 18:23

sleepwouldbenice · 10/05/2026 17:19

As someone who is politically quite central….

to be clear OP, you complain that all right wind reform voters are labelled as being the same then promptly label left wing voters as the same…. Right…..

What??

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Papyrophile · 10/05/2026 18:22

Shakeoffyourchains · 10/05/2026 13:11

You're not going to get your quality of life back without addressing wealth inequality. It really is as simple as that.

Doesn't matter how many migrants you deport, how many benefits you slash or how many children you force into poverty, if you elect politicians who allow the top 10% of the population to double their wealth every 5 years the other 90% will get poorer.

I hear you, but most people are not as unequal as the billionaires and anyone on UC.

From a fairly fortunate standpoint, I'd be the first to acknowledge that we are financially reasonably solid. But it has been carefully built up over the 40 years DH and I have been a team. We put a little into our pensions every single year, and when there was a surplus we dobbed it all in. It looks pretty healthy now, but I am not quite 70, and my ddad is still alive, at 92. There wont be anyone to tend me if I am old and awkward. So I shall be self funding my care home and also chipping in for A N Other who didn't or couldn't pay. I plan to top myself at 85. I just hope I have the capacity and capability to go through with it.

AStonedRose · 10/05/2026 17:23

Northermcharn · 10/05/2026 17:07

Agreed 100%. 'The white working classes can safely be ignored'. We have the context and the sentiment. Thanks Bella.

'InstantlyBella · Today 11:02
The voters will naturally switch over to the Green Party, who are more sympathetic to the plight of minorities both here and overseas.
But ultimately, if you claim to be someone of the left, you need to put all Party politics aside and come together to invite as many people to this island as you can before 2028. Get everybody naturalised and start aggressively marketing policies that these people genuinely are concerned about. The white working class can safely be ignored, they are a diminishing demographic and this is their final act of defiance against what is good for them.
That is what needs to happen. Hopefully the left can see the bigger picture and come together to make the future we all want a certainty.
5MinuteArgument · Today 10:56
I think this is actually the thinking behind govts who have enabled mass immigration, from Blair onwards: import the next generations of voters.
Trouble is you get a reaction, which we are seeing now in the success of Reform and the loss of votes for Labour. Ironically even Tony Blair has come out and said we need to get a grip on our borders.
InstantlyBella · Today 10:05
If it was up to me, I would open the borders for the next few years leading up to the next national election and give citizenship to every single person who comes here. Make sure they drown out Reform's votership completely.
Then the right will never get anywhere in UK politics ever again.'

I've never seen anything to suggest that Labour saw immigration as shipping in client voters (though they may have appreciated the happy accident). Free movement is a non-negotiable of EU membership, so unless they were going to take us out in 2004, when the Eastern European countries joined, it was inevitable.

And the spike in non-EU immigration following Brexit was a direct consequence of, er, Brexit, so obviously not manufactured by the left.

In any case, I doubt it has made much difference to the outcome of any election, as most immigrants end up in big cities, which have historically been Labour-voting anyway.

And I think that InstantlyBella has amply demonstrated that there are plonkers on both side of the equation. You'll get no argument from me there.

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