The Left have a become a snivelling self-righteous mob, busy bodying around, trying to shame others

I’m in Somerset where the voted Lib Dem. That doesn’t mean I can’t sport political gaming and propaganda attempts when I see it to manipulate the “mood of the country”.

They won’t, they will eat themselves. There are too many tensions in their uneasy alliance of priorities.

I agree with this! I've been trying to get my kids to read Mein Kampf for years, and they just keep saying it's a load of incoherent racist drivel.

Young people nowadays! Give me strength!

There are issues on the left mainly around free speech. I’ve found this irritating as an academic who very much believes in the university as an institution of precisely this - free expression and unrestrained exchange of knowledge. I heard Tommy Robinson was booked to speak at Oxford uni and thought, good, why not. I don’t think ‘controversial’ speakers should be banned from universities and I equally hate the notion of a person being attacked for having a different opinion e.g Kathleen Stock at Sussex.

I spoke at length to my students about this once after I mentioned Jordan Peterson and had two students basically lay into me. I asked if they had read his books, they hadn’t so I said they should do that first before attempting to argue. I read literature from all sides of the political spectrum, it’s part of being a critical thinker (as I told them).

I think what's embarrassing is how little you seem to understand the mood of the country. Mind you Mumsnet has always been sanctimonious lefty central, which does not represent the average person's views.

Who are you referring to as 'The Left' exactly @Northermcharn? You haven't made that clear. You've just thrown in a quote that is meant to be inflammatory.
Who are you referring to as the cool right who are putting a finger up at the establishment? Farage? Trump? They literally are the establishment and I struggle to describe either of them as 'cool', especially the one that is bombing the shit out of Iran, blockading Cubans, causing economic collapse and starvation, supporting Genocide in Gaza. Really, really not cool imo.

If what you actually mean is that Labour are no longer the part of the working class or working people and are essentially the same as the Tories, then I agree with you.

What are your thoughts on their policies? Do you think that any of the rich elite of reform leadership care about working classes? Do you really believe that they are going to make the country any better? Nigel has been quite clear about an insurance based system replacing the NHS, their thoughts about disabled people and SEN children have been abundantly clear, do you trust them to actually improve workers rights when they talk of scrapping legislation designed to protect them?

Then what are the right worried about if the legislation doesn't exist? It is also unlikely to ever exist as no political party is going to implement a policy that increases unemployment? Are they just whipping people into a frenzy over nothing then over imagined policy and legislation?

I agree OP. Have also been thinking about this. The naked contempt the left now have for the working class. The left is now - Labour, the professional lanyard class, and the Greens, urban 'progressives' (a medical condition you do not want to have). They are sneering while they punch down. I am not a reform voter, but I do not believe all those who've moved over to reform are idiots or bigots. They are mostly working class people who are sick of being ignored and insulted by student politicians who think they are their betters. They are sick of shallow identity politics and political correctness in place of practical measures. As for Johnny Rotten, he's always been astute, called out Savile years before anyone else, and was dropped from TV appearances as a result. A proper punk who does not care what anyone thinks and knows the establishment when he sees it.

I don’t refer to any specific legislation. Read again. You have misunderstood.

It's Trumpism all over again. British people like to think they're far better and more intelligent than Americans but here we are, going down the exact same path.

I am asking what the employment legislation the right is referring to? You said it, I'm just clarifying what it is. Is this some hypothetical legislation because I don't think anyone left or right would want to implement policy that leads to unemployment?

The benefit is a calm, disruption free classroom which is rare as hens teeth here in Scotland. I know all about it being one of the many parents who’s child - after years of taking a beating daily while teachers watched on, powerless - just refused to attend any more. And who could blame them? But England has vowed to cut ECHPs and just chuck everyone in the same class in the name of inclusion too, so you’ll also soon find terrified kids being used as a punchbag regularly, and endless screeching meltdowns disrupting any for of learning and educational standards plunging rapidly too.

So when this happens to you too, a tip for you. Private schools are an oasis of calm and happiness in comparison. My child has thrived. Despite being 100% against the whole concept of private schooling like you, when the chips were down and we had no other option private schooling was our last resort and it saved us. Better get saving for that VAT!

You almost wonder if England are cutting ECHPs to force more kids back into private schools to undo the financial cost of educating those that left private?

What legislation? I’m not sure what you are asking. What I wrote is clear to understand.

Bore off and pay your VAT on your luxury education.

If it didnt give benefit people wouldn't pay for it.

Someone please make this stop! Nobody is persuading anybody else to change sides, like this, it's just setting up division between people and making us all hate each other.

There is a reason cliches are cliches!

You said that the 'right are not unreasonable for insisting employment legislation that leads to higher unemployment is stupidity and what good is further legislation that leads to weaker economy and loss of jobs' - I'm just wondering what that legislation is? I'm just asking about what you said.

This thread is batshit

'I never thought I'd see the day when the Right became the cool ones giving the finger to the establishment, and the Left became the snivelling self-righteous ones going around shaming everybody'

AIBU to think this is what many people think these days? We didn't leave the left, the left left us.

It's what John Lydon thinks is all. Who gives a fuck? Also, if you haven't done anything shame worthy, you can't be shamed.

Hard agree with all of this! Who on earth decided that blokes in dresses and cheap wigs who want to be able to get into women’s single sex spaces - sports / jobs / awards etc are ‘the most vulnerable and marginalised of society’.

Private schooling and ‘connections’ is such UTTER nonsense. You clearly know absolutely nothing about either how private sector recruitment works or how private schools operate. I’m cringing for you. What a cliche!

I’ve looked around and different papers seem to reflect the political stance of the writers. Though the civil service papers suggest the employees laws will benefit the economy.

There’s a Cambridge paper that suggests benefits, but I have no idea of the author’s political positions:

The report also uses the Labour Regulation Index to conduct econometric analysis of the relationship between labour law and the economy over the past 50 years in the UK. This indicates that the new Employment Rights Act is likely to have a small positive effect on employment, representing an increase of around 0.1% in the employment level.

In those areas where the Act breaks new ground for UK law, including zero hours contract laws, analysis indicates that the adoption of similar laws in other OECD countries in the recent past has led to productivity and employment improvements.

https://www.law.cam.ac.uk/press/news/2026/01/cambridge-researchers-coauthor-government-report-new-employment-rights-act

I do think btw you are seeing that same victimhood narrative in mens rights activists, incely right wing types as well. I think in the Uk it’s very much more a problem on the left, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we suddenly see right wing people do it more.