The Left have a become a snivelling self-righteous mob, busy bodying around, trying to shame others

Then what are the right worried about if the legislation doesn't exist? It is also unlikely to ever exist as no political party is going to implement a policy that increases unemployment? Are they just whipping people into a frenzy over nothing then over imagined policy and legislation?

The Benefits class is certainly not working class.

Working class is now also know as alarm clock class. Blue collar workers mostly not dependent on benefits.

None of those people have ever used that word, at least not on the record and Cameron never said it to a policeman.

I am no fan of the Tories. But you are just making things up.

I think what's embarrassing is how little you seem to understand the mood of the country. Mind you Mumsnet has always been sanctimonious lefty central, which does not represent the average person's views.

Who even is the working class anymore? It's a definition that no longer makes any sense. People who ' don't own the means of production' so Civil servants, doctors, council workers- in other words people with degrees, but not self employed builders, plumbers, shop owners etc? What about people who don't work- the long term unemployed, the benefit class? Are they 'working class'?

You do know the Right do exactly the same. Farage, Johnson, Rees Mogg etc al all use the word pleb. In fact Cameron said it to a policeman!

I asked because they say that the contempt the left have got the working classes has shifted the working class to reform, so I asked whether they think reform will be any good for the working class? I'm sorry, I didn't realise that on an internet forum you could police what questions I post for someone? My bad.

You do know the Right do exactly the same. Farage, Johnson, Rees Mogg etc al all use the word pleb. In fact Cameron said it to a policeman!

Yes the left are now woman hating, working class hating, country hating, just generally a hating bunch of people. Always moaning, always complaining, as usual pulling everyone down to their level.

Working class warriors, they ain’t.

There are issues on the left mainly around free speech. I’ve found this irritating as an academic who very much believes in the university as an institution of precisely this - free expression and unrestrained exchange of knowledge. I heard Tommy Robinson was booked to speak at Oxford uni and thought, good, why not. I don’t think ‘controversial’ speakers should be banned from universities and I equally hate the notion of a person being attacked for having a different opinion e.g Kathleen Stock at Sussex.

I spoke at length to my students about this once after I mentioned Jordan Peterson and had two students basically lay into me. I asked if they had read his books, they hadn’t so I said they should do that first before attempting to argue. I read literature from all sides of the political spectrum, it’s part of being a critical thinker (as I told them).

Have you actually read his books? He doesn’t say either of those things. Beside the by, I never said I agreed with Peterson so your arguments are proving my point. The inability to even listen to the other side of the argument without immediate dismissal is part of the issue.

This is Brexit 2.0. You fucking won and you're still moaning. Grow up.

It’s a strange syndrome that the left have. Call people racist, thick, stupid and all sorts of other other names and then wonder, cry, wail and moan that these people have the audacity to not vote the same way as they do. That these people actually choose to vote for people who don’t call them names and look down upon them with disdain.

It shows. You see it so clearly. Whenever Labour and Green politicians speak, it’s like their persona is dripping with contempt for the little people beneath them. The hate this country and they hate the electorate. They see themselves above us all.

Why are you asking @halfpastten those questions? @halfpastten said she's not a Reform supporter (as I also said), and explains why many people have voted for them (which is correct). You seem to have missed all of that and gone straight to 'do you really believe that they [Reform] are going to make the country any better' type questioning. This spectacularly misses the point (and supports my op at the same time). Which is exactly what politicians have been doing (especially Labour but not only Labour), and hence the current situation.

'I agree OP. Have also been thinking about this. The naked contempt the left now have for the working class. The left is now - Labour, the professional lanyard class, and the Greens, urban 'progressives' (a medical condition you do not want to have). They are sneering while they punch down. I am not a reform voter, but I do not believe all those who've moved over to reform are idiots or bigots. They are mostly working class people who are sick of being ignored and insulted by student politicians who think they are their betters. They are sick of shallow identity politics and political correctness in place of practical measures. As for Johnny Rotten, he's always been astute, called out Savile years before anyone else, and was dropped from TV appearances as a result. A proper punk who does not care what anyone thinks and knows the establishment when he sees it.'

I agree. Mein Kampf is broadly well-written, at least there are clear themes.

Peterson's stuff is just incoherent drivel about some races having lower IQs than others, and how women should stay home and cook.

They have insurance based healthcare systems throughout Europe. They work brilliantly in providing excellent, timely healthcare for all. What’s your issue?

Appreciate the sentiment but I don’t think Peterson is on par with Hitler somehow. He’s a good writer for starters.

The efforts to sway political views on here are getting embarrassing. I wonder if there’s a mn team set up to target mums and this was their solution 🙄

I agree with this! I've been trying to get my kids to read Mein Kampf for years, and they just keep saying it's a load of incoherent racist drivel.

Young people nowadays! Give me strength!

What are your thoughts on their policies? Do you think that any of the rich elite of reform leadership care about working classes? Do you really believe that they are going to make the country any better? Nigel has been quite clear about an insurance based system replacing the NHS, their thoughts about disabled people and SEN children have been abundantly clear, do you trust them to actually improve workers rights when they talk of scrapping legislation designed to protect them?