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The Left have a become a snivelling self-righteous mob, busy bodying around, trying to shame others

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Northermcharn · 09/05/2026 18:17

I read this quote and it encapsulates exactly how I feel

'I never thought I'd see the day when the Right became the cool ones giving the finger to the establishment, and the Left became the snivelling self-righteous ones going around shaming everybody'

AIBU to think this is what many people think these days? We didn't leave the left, the left left us.

*the quote is from John Lydon aka Johnny Rotten. He's deliberately provocative in lots of ways, but he meant this one. I fully expect some people to come on the thread to tell us all how he's a horror and said he likes Donald Trump. That would be them missing the point.. but.. Let Them..

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Leftynutcracker · 10/05/2026 11:15

InstantlyBella · 10/05/2026 10:05

If it was up to me, I would open the borders for the next few years leading up to the next national election and give citizenship to every single person who comes here. Make sure they drown out Reform's votership completely.

Then the right will never get anywhere in UK politics ever again.

If were up to you the country would be bankrupt within a month. Please tell me you're not one of those calling the right thick. Talk of hounding and ostracising British born citizens if they don't agree with your politics. The real face of fascism. Utterly repulsive thinking.

AStonedRose · 10/05/2026 11:12

5MinuteArgument · 10/05/2026 11:08

Is this a windup? 'The white working class can safely be ignored ...'

I think Reform should put this on their election leaflets to show the thinking of the liberals and leftists. Reform would win a landslide.

This is one poster's view, and respectfully to that poster, it's mental.

I am white working class, I'm anti-racist, pro-immigration (within parameters) and support higher taxes and better public services.

How dare s/he say that I can 'safely be ignored'. @InstantlyBella doesn't realise how hateful her post is.

Leftynutcracker · 10/05/2026 11:12

InstantlyBella · 10/05/2026 11:02

The voters will naturally switch over to the Green Party, who are more sympathetic to the plight of minorities both here and overseas.

But ultimately, if you claim to be someone of the left, you need to put all Party politics aside and come together to invite as many people to this island as you can before 2028. Get everybody naturalised and start aggressively marketing policies that these people genuinely are concerned about. The white working class can safely be ignored, they are a diminishing demographic and this is their final act of defiance against what is good for them.

That is what needs to happen. Hopefully the left can see the bigger picture and come together to make the future we all want a certainty.

Hmmm shame the Greens aren't more sympathetic to you know the actual tax payers. You're completely deluded but your thinking is an own goal for Reform. You're still not getting it. Oh yes this thread was certainly made with you in mind. Arrogance personified insisting you know best. Its good entertainment though.

AStonedRose · 10/05/2026 11:09

Whatafustercluck · 10/05/2026 10:43

Indeed, and here's a selection of local comments in response to an online article about the elections, accompanied by a photo of brown skinned people (councillors). This is what people deem to be acceptable 'free speech' these days:

"Taxi drivers awards ceremony?" (139 likes)

"Is this England?" (89 likes)

"We’re all talking in a ‘hush’ way. Now here the real reason here, there are many more muslims in this photo. In my opinion, it does not matter what colour your skin is. As a Christian country, it’s reasonable to expect the people that govern this country should be Christian.
I will leave it here."

"Does this mean taxi fares will be cheaper looks like local taxi firm's Xmas party".

"Looks more like Bangladesh to me".

"Was this an English election, in England?"

"Spot the white face".

"The corruption in that photo is rife".

"That picture speaks a thousand words".

"This is [local city] in England yes?"

"OMG. I wonder if i could stand for parliament in Pakistan".

"Looks like a grooming gang".

"Oh my word. That's all I'm saying. Explanation not required."

"Spot the non Asian".

"Didn't know [local city] was in Pakistan. Countries [sic] done".

"2026 best food delivery man".

"Was the picture taken in Islamabad?"

"The absolute state of that photo".

"Any English left it [local city]?"

"Well done to Pakistan".

"[Local city]? I think you used the wrong photo by accident because this photo looks like it's from Bangladesh".

"Didn't have any white ones?"

"All British patriots".

"Spot the real English white man".

"Where in Pakistan was this photo taken?"

"You would not believe this is England".

"Home grown British politicians in charge".

"Proof that the climate is getting warmer".

"Spot the white man".

"Spot the white man".

"Look at this picture, it literally screams we need restore, the only party that will end this nightmare of what you see here".

"And how many anglo saxon white faces do you see there?"

"Barely an englishman amongst them, I wonder if I went to Pakistan and started a political party if I’d be accepted…… and people say the uk is racist haha".

"Where in the middle east is this?"

"Don't see British people".

Comment after comment like this, because 'free speech innit'. For context, if it matters, the majority of those in the photo were born here. The only comment that got moderated out was one directly referencing 'Pakis'.

This is exactly what I see, every day.

It's not being a snivelling lefty for calling these people for what they are - bigoted racist scumbags. There are no grey areas here, and freedom of speech doesn't mean these views shouldn't be criticised.

Of course we need to understand why people feel like this, but that's not the same thing as pandering to their worst instincts.

I agree, incidentally, that cancel culture (a) is a thing (b) is driven by the left and (c) needs to change.

EasternStandard · 10/05/2026 11:09

InstantlyBella · 10/05/2026 11:02

The voters will naturally switch over to the Green Party, who are more sympathetic to the plight of minorities both here and overseas.

But ultimately, if you claim to be someone of the left, you need to put all Party politics aside and come together to invite as many people to this island as you can before 2028. Get everybody naturalised and start aggressively marketing policies that these people genuinely are concerned about. The white working class can safely be ignored, they are a diminishing demographic and this is their final act of defiance against what is good for them.

That is what needs to happen. Hopefully the left can see the bigger picture and come together to make the future we all want a certainty.

I’m not sure if this is parody or serious.

5MinuteArgument · 10/05/2026 11:08

InstantlyBella · 10/05/2026 11:02

The voters will naturally switch over to the Green Party, who are more sympathetic to the plight of minorities both here and overseas.

But ultimately, if you claim to be someone of the left, you need to put all Party politics aside and come together to invite as many people to this island as you can before 2028. Get everybody naturalised and start aggressively marketing policies that these people genuinely are concerned about. The white working class can safely be ignored, they are a diminishing demographic and this is their final act of defiance against what is good for them.

That is what needs to happen. Hopefully the left can see the bigger picture and come together to make the future we all want a certainty.

Is this a windup? 'The white working class can safely be ignored ...'

I think Reform should put this on their election leaflets to show the thinking of the liberals and leftists. Reform would win a landslide.

MaturingCheeseball · 10/05/2026 11:05

InstantlyBella · 10/05/2026 10:53

As many as would want to come. And taxing the billionaires more proportionately would absolutely be enough to finance as many as 18 million additional people in the country.

Not that I particularly care about that argument because capitalism is only a couple of years from being completely toppled anyway. Then anyone can live where they want without having to 'prove their financial worth' to society.

You would not only lose the billionaires, you’d lose every last taxpayer full stop. Those unable to leave would down tools.

InstantlyBella · 10/05/2026 11:02

5MinuteArgument · 10/05/2026 10:56

I think this is actually the thinking behind govts who have enabled mass immigration, from Blair onwards: import the next generations of voters.

Trouble is you get a reaction, which we are seeing now in the success of Reform and the loss of votes for Labour. Ironically even Tony Blair has come out and said we need to get a grip on our borders.

The voters will naturally switch over to the Green Party, who are more sympathetic to the plight of minorities both here and overseas.

But ultimately, if you claim to be someone of the left, you need to put all Party politics aside and come together to invite as many people to this island as you can before 2028. Get everybody naturalised and start aggressively marketing policies that these people genuinely are concerned about. The white working class can safely be ignored, they are a diminishing demographic and this is their final act of defiance against what is good for them.

That is what needs to happen. Hopefully the left can see the bigger picture and come together to make the future we all want a certainty.

5MinuteArgument · 10/05/2026 10:59

InstantlyBella · 10/05/2026 10:53

As many as would want to come. And taxing the billionaires more proportionately would absolutely be enough to finance as many as 18 million additional people in the country.

Not that I particularly care about that argument because capitalism is only a couple of years from being completely toppled anyway. Then anyone can live where they want without having to 'prove their financial worth' to society.

One way to catapult Reform into power with a landslide majority!

5MinuteArgument · 10/05/2026 10:56

InstantlyBella · 10/05/2026 10:05

If it was up to me, I would open the borders for the next few years leading up to the next national election and give citizenship to every single person who comes here. Make sure they drown out Reform's votership completely.

Then the right will never get anywhere in UK politics ever again.

I think this is actually the thinking behind govts who have enabled mass immigration, from Blair onwards: import the next generations of voters.

Trouble is you get a reaction, which we are seeing now in the success of Reform and the loss of votes for Labour. Ironically even Tony Blair has come out and said we need to get a grip on our borders.

InstantlyBella · 10/05/2026 10:53

MaturingCheeseball · 10/05/2026 10:36

And how do you think that would pan out?

Come on, I’d like a reply. So “open borders” - how many would come? Millions, many millions. How would the country pay benefits? House people? Provide healthcare? We’d have vast camps of new arrivals - all in order for you to give them a vote….

As many as would want to come. And taxing the billionaires more proportionately would absolutely be enough to finance as many as 18 million additional people in the country.

Not that I particularly care about that argument because capitalism is only a couple of years from being completely toppled anyway. Then anyone can live where they want without having to 'prove their financial worth' to society.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/05/2026 10:51

Facebook definitely needs better moderation, like all social media platforms.

Whatafustercluck · 10/05/2026 10:48

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/05/2026 10:46

Im guessing that’s Facebook? Facebook comments are a cesspool.

It was - the local newspaper's Facebook page (apparently moderated...) But generally reflects what I've seen across all social media platforms.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/05/2026 10:46

Whatafustercluck · 10/05/2026 10:43

Indeed, and here's a selection of local comments in response to an online article about the elections, accompanied by a photo of brown skinned people (councillors). This is what people deem to be acceptable 'free speech' these days:

"Taxi drivers awards ceremony?" (139 likes)

"Is this England?" (89 likes)

"We’re all talking in a ‘hush’ way. Now here the real reason here, there are many more muslims in this photo. In my opinion, it does not matter what colour your skin is. As a Christian country, it’s reasonable to expect the people that govern this country should be Christian.
I will leave it here."

"Does this mean taxi fares will be cheaper looks like local taxi firm's Xmas party".

"Looks more like Bangladesh to me".

"Was this an English election, in England?"

"Spot the white face".

"The corruption in that photo is rife".

"That picture speaks a thousand words".

"This is [local city] in England yes?"

"OMG. I wonder if i could stand for parliament in Pakistan".

"Looks like a grooming gang".

"Oh my word. That's all I'm saying. Explanation not required."

"Spot the non Asian".

"Didn't know [local city] was in Pakistan. Countries [sic] done".

"2026 best food delivery man".

"Was the picture taken in Islamabad?"

"The absolute state of that photo".

"Any English left it [local city]?"

"Well done to Pakistan".

"[Local city]? I think you used the wrong photo by accident because this photo looks like it's from Bangladesh".

"Didn't have any white ones?"

"All British patriots".

"Spot the real English white man".

"Where in Pakistan was this photo taken?"

"You would not believe this is England".

"Home grown British politicians in charge".

"Proof that the climate is getting warmer".

"Spot the white man".

"Spot the white man".

"Look at this picture, it literally screams we need restore, the only party that will end this nightmare of what you see here".

"And how many anglo saxon white faces do you see there?"

"Barely an englishman amongst them, I wonder if I went to Pakistan and started a political party if I’d be accepted…… and people say the uk is racist haha".

"Where in the middle east is this?"

"Don't see British people".

Comment after comment like this, because 'free speech innit'. For context, if it matters, the majority of those in the photo were born here. The only comment that got moderated out was one directly referencing 'Pakis'.

Im guessing that’s Facebook? Facebook comments are a cesspool.

Whatafustercluck · 10/05/2026 10:43

EsmeSusanOgg · 10/05/2026 10:04

... I hasten to add the people most likely to push an authoritarian approach ARE Reform. Lots of talk about free speech, but only where it allows them to say whatever they like. They actively attempt to restrict media access/ censor media (banning journalists in Nottinghamshire from attending open council meetings for example).

Indeed, and here's a selection of local comments in response to an online article about the elections, accompanied by a photo of brown skinned people (councillors). This is what people deem to be acceptable 'free speech' these days:

"Taxi drivers awards ceremony?" (139 likes)

"Is this England?" (89 likes)

"We’re all talking in a ‘hush’ way. Now here the real reason here, there are many more muslims in this photo. In my opinion, it does not matter what colour your skin is. As a Christian country, it’s reasonable to expect the people that govern this country should be Christian.
I will leave it here."

"Does this mean taxi fares will be cheaper looks like local taxi firm's Xmas party".

"Looks more like Bangladesh to me".

"Was this an English election, in England?"

"Spot the white face".

"The corruption in that photo is rife".

"That picture speaks a thousand words".

"This is [local city] in England yes?"

"OMG. I wonder if i could stand for parliament in Pakistan".

"Looks like a grooming gang".

"Oh my word. That's all I'm saying. Explanation not required."

"Spot the non Asian".

"Didn't know [local city] was in Pakistan. Countries [sic] done".

"2026 best food delivery man".

"Was the picture taken in Islamabad?"

"The absolute state of that photo".

"Any English left it [local city]?"

"Well done to Pakistan".

"[Local city]? I think you used the wrong photo by accident because this photo looks like it's from Bangladesh".

"Didn't have any white ones?"

"All British patriots".

"Spot the real English white man".

"Where in Pakistan was this photo taken?"

"You would not believe this is England".

"Home grown British politicians in charge".

"Proof that the climate is getting warmer".

"Spot the white man".

"Spot the white man".

"Look at this picture, it literally screams we need restore, the only party that will end this nightmare of what you see here".

"And how many anglo saxon white faces do you see there?"

"Barely an englishman amongst them, I wonder if I went to Pakistan and started a political party if I’d be accepted…… and people say the uk is racist haha".

"Where in the middle east is this?"

"Don't see British people".

Comment after comment like this, because 'free speech innit'. For context, if it matters, the majority of those in the photo were born here. The only comment that got moderated out was one directly referencing 'Pakis'.

ByKindNavySwan · 10/05/2026 10:42

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 10/05/2026 09:19

How many are working full time and how many are choosing to work part time and receive UC top ups? If they were on a full time minimum wage they would not be eligible for UC.

It's possible to work full time on more than minimum wage and still get Universal credit if you're single with young children.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/05/2026 10:42

Yuasa · 10/05/2026 10:36

Ok, I thought that might be what was meant by this - online forums, cancel culture, etc. Not what has been going on in the recent electoral campaigning.

As you know, cancel culture and purity spirals have been strongly challenged by those on the left and centre. I abhor them and most people I speak to do. As for debating online, apart from threads like this (where I don't think anything I've ever posted could be accused of bullying or screaming) I don't get involved at all and I don't think the majority of people do. It's a cesspit and not reflective of what the electorate think. It really isn't fair to ascribe to the 'Left' the views of SM obsessives.

The same, women on FWR report being insulted on their own doorsteps for asking about women’s sex based rights.

MaturingCheeseball · 10/05/2026 10:36

InstantlyBella · 10/05/2026 10:05

If it was up to me, I would open the borders for the next few years leading up to the next national election and give citizenship to every single person who comes here. Make sure they drown out Reform's votership completely.

Then the right will never get anywhere in UK politics ever again.

And how do you think that would pan out?

Come on, I’d like a reply. So “open borders” - how many would come? Millions, many millions. How would the country pay benefits? House people? Provide healthcare? We’d have vast camps of new arrivals - all in order for you to give them a vote….

Yuasa · 10/05/2026 10:36

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/05/2026 10:29

Oh come on you are at least equally likely to be abused by left leaning posters on social media as right leaning ones. Tribalism is the problem here, don’t add to it.

Ok, I thought that might be what was meant by this - online forums, cancel culture, etc. Not what has been going on in the recent electoral campaigning.

As you know, cancel culture and purity spirals have been strongly challenged by those on the left and centre. I abhor them and most people I speak to do. As for debating online, apart from threads like this (where I don't think anything I've ever posted could be accused of bullying or screaming) I don't get involved at all and I don't think the majority of people do. It's a cesspit and not reflective of what the electorate think. It really isn't fair to ascribe to the 'Left' the views of SM obsessives.

5MinuteArgument · 10/05/2026 10:31

Yes, I believe the far left have become bullying and nasty and there's a level of hysteria. The tik tok video of a leftist attacking an effigy if Farage was an example of this.

There are also bad attitudes on the far right.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/05/2026 10:29

MasterBeth · 10/05/2026 10:27

And there was me thinking the establishment was the banks, the City the billionaires, the Times and the Telegraph and the elite public schools i.e all of the institutions that have shaped and paid Farage...

It’s both, isn’t it?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/05/2026 10:29

Yuasa · 10/05/2026 10:23

Hyperbole is always a go-to for those without an argument, isn't it? (Along with condescension and changing the goalposts mid-discussion.) Examples of being 'screamed at' or 'bullied' by someone on the left, please.

Meanwhile, you end your post with a neat little threat.

Oh come on you are at least equally likely to be abused by left leaning posters on social media as right leaning ones. Tribalism is the problem here, don’t add to it.

MasterBeth · 10/05/2026 10:27

ProudAmberTurtle · 09/05/2026 18:24

I don't like Nigel Farage but the establishment is the BBC, the government, the pro diversity obsession of all the institutions that run the country and so on.

Farage is obviously not part of that.

I'm not convinced he's particularly anti establishment but the very fact that he calls out immigration shows he's not part of the establishment - which is presumably why he's got significant support

And there was me thinking the establishment was the banks, the City the billionaires, the Times and the Telegraph and the elite public schools i.e all of the institutions that have shaped and paid Farage...

Givemeachaitealatte · 10/05/2026 10:26

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 10/05/2026 10:06

I would say the Labour government are Centrist as are many of their MP's but there are a large vocal backbench element who are hard left (plus the Unions). Labour were elected on a centre Left platform of growth, helping working people and business. Starmer is too weak to stand up to the Hard Left element of his party, he hasn't got the charisma to charm them into looking at the bigger picture, and has caved in to them so many times they think they can just ignore what he says and act as the official opposition if they don't like what he says. How can you get anywhere when you suspend MP's for voting against your own budget, then say 'Oh yeah OK lets do what you wanted anyway' and pretending its because suddenly the economy is strong enough to deal with it when anyone with eyes can see its not? Putting stupid and ill thought out policies through that would have been fine if they had thought about it for 5 seconds, and many people would agree with, like capping the Winter fuel payment, but not making it so that pensioners who haven't worked a day in their lives get the same pension as those who have paid 25 years of NI. Stupid unforced error after stupid unforced errors. Good ideas made bad over and over again. Those same Leftist MP's not a peep out of them when it comes to funding cuts in education, or to scrutinise how actually inheritance tax for farmers could be made fairer for family farms, etc etc.

How about look what they have done though. They got the workers right bill through parliament to strengthen workers rights, helped reduce child poverty, strengthened animal welfare and actually shown great diplomacy in a very volatile world. While I don't disagree that labour and Starmer have made mistakes, I'm unsure of why he is such a pariah in the media?

Yuasa · 10/05/2026 10:23

Andthatmyfriendisthat · 10/05/2026 09:37

Reform and Restore voters are in the majority. Screaming abuse at them, bullying them, attempting to terrorise them into submission won't work this time.

You will find yourself becoming a laughing stock and pariah if you try.

Edited

Hyperbole is always a go-to for those without an argument, isn't it? (Along with condescension and changing the goalposts mid-discussion.) Examples of being 'screamed at' or 'bullied' by someone on the left, please.

Meanwhile, you end your post with a neat little threat.