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The Left have a become a snivelling self-righteous mob, busy bodying around, trying to shame others

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Northermcharn · 09/05/2026 18:17

I read this quote and it encapsulates exactly how I feel

'I never thought I'd see the day when the Right became the cool ones giving the finger to the establishment, and the Left became the snivelling self-righteous ones going around shaming everybody'

AIBU to think this is what many people think these days? We didn't leave the left, the left left us.

*the quote is from John Lydon aka Johnny Rotten. He's deliberately provocative in lots of ways, but he meant this one. I fully expect some people to come on the thread to tell us all how he's a horror and said he likes Donald Trump. That would be them missing the point.. but.. Let Them..

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Gemtastic · 10/05/2026 11:59

What the hell has happened to Mumsnet? From being an intelligent, independent, interesting place full of a range of views it’s become a repository for those wishing to spill out bile on a daily basis with no critical thought or analysis and based on name calling of people in public life.

I just don’t believe it’s not an organised, coordinated campaign and it makes me very sad. I didn’t use to agree with all the threads in the past but now I’m seeing the platform as a dangerous propagator for extreme views. I didn’t ever think a site developed to support and inform parents could become a propagandist’s dream.

5MinuteArgument · 10/05/2026 11:58

TemperanceWest · 10/05/2026 11:54

I was just listening to the same thing. On LBC? Shocking. What a vile man. I think he was elected as an independent?

Yes, if I lived in Birmingham I'd be so angry. How dare they drone on about Gaza and Israel when there's tonnes of putrid rubbish mounting up in their streets. How have we come to this?

TemperanceWest · 10/05/2026 11:54

5MinuteArgument · 10/05/2026 11:51

Yes, they may well be taking the piss.

But it's hard to tell because the far left have become so unhinged and detached from reality. The alliance between Greens and Islamist extremists shows how far the left have drifted.

I'm just listening now to a Birmingham councillor spewing antisemitic hatred (sort out the damn bins, mate)

I was just listening to the same thing. On LBC? Shocking. What a vile man. I think he was elected as an independent?

EasternStandard · 10/05/2026 11:53

5MinuteArgument · 10/05/2026 11:51

Yes, they may well be taking the piss.

But it's hard to tell because the far left have become so unhinged and detached from reality. The alliance between Greens and Islamist extremists shows how far the left have drifted.

I'm just listening now to a Birmingham councillor spewing antisemitic hatred (sort out the damn bins, mate)

I just heard Lewisham do similar on Gaza. Nothing on bins.

madeofmore · 10/05/2026 11:52

Plummagic · 09/05/2026 19:01

John Lydon stopped being cool about 40 years ago.

He was never cool

5MinuteArgument · 10/05/2026 11:51

TemperanceWest · 10/05/2026 11:20

I think that poster is taking the piss?

Yes, they may well be taking the piss.

But it's hard to tell because the far left have become so unhinged and detached from reality. The alliance between Greens and Islamist extremists shows how far the left have drifted.

I'm just listening now to a Birmingham councillor spewing antisemitic hatred (sort out the damn bins, mate)

AStonedRose · 10/05/2026 11:48

InstantlyBella · 10/05/2026 11:44

I give up. Think what you want. I am not in the mood to be bullied by online right wingers today.

Hilarious. I’m old labour, I’ve been out canvassing in the past. I’ve explained my position upthread.

please, please go away and have a think about how much harm your attitude is doing.
That’s assuming you’re not actually coming from a place of contempt for me.

still waiting for ‘sorry’

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/05/2026 11:47

Not you, @AStonedRose FAOD the person you’re replying to

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/05/2026 11:45

AStonedRose · 10/05/2026 11:12

This is one poster's view, and respectfully to that poster, it's mental.

I am white working class, I'm anti-racist, pro-immigration (within parameters) and support higher taxes and better public services.

How dare s/he say that I can 'safely be ignored'. @InstantlyBella doesn't realise how hateful her post is.

This poster says on another thread that they don’t come into contact with any working class people, so somewhat of a niche.

InstantlyBella · 10/05/2026 11:44

AStonedRose · 10/05/2026 11:40

How dare you call me 'disingenuous' and a 'lunatic' when you have literally just written that I can 'safely be ignored'.

I like football and have worked in a manual job. So keep digging.

I find your posts personally offensive. Again, you're part of the problem.

I give up. Think what you want. I am not in the mood to be bullied by online right wingers today.

RampantIvy · 10/05/2026 11:41

Whatafustercluck · 10/05/2026 10:48

It was - the local newspaper's Facebook page (apparently moderated...) But generally reflects what I've seen across all social media platforms.

Sadly, it's the same here.

AStonedRose · 10/05/2026 11:41

@InstantlyBella: And why is 'ignoring white working class people' any more acceptable than ignoring black people? Please explain.

Again, the word that's missing is 'sorry'.

AStonedRose · 10/05/2026 11:40

InstantlyBella · 10/05/2026 11:38

No don't just compare what I said to something horrific like ignoring black people. That is just so disingenuous and makes you look like a lunatic.

Well all know the type of people I was talking about. The kind of white working class that are obsessed with football, usually work in manual labour jobs and have copious amounts of St George's flags all over their council house. I was not talking about every person from the white working class community, there are plenty of decent hardworking folks that are a real shining beacon for humanity.

How dare you call me 'disingenuous' and a 'lunatic' when you have literally just written that I can 'safely be ignored'.

I like football and have worked in a manual job. So keep digging.

I find your posts personally offensive. Again, you're part of the problem.

OneTealShaker · 10/05/2026 11:39

ReginaPhalange1989 · 10/05/2026 09:57

I think the difference is that the right are overly focused on the wrong 1% (migrants) and not the 1% we should really be angry at (billionaires) funnily enough these billionaires own the papers and media that is convincing you all that migrants are the problem...

It's rasism disguised as patriarchy.

Apart from their stance on immigration can someone please explain what policies you liked of reform? Was it the abolishion of the equalities act? The privatisation of the nhs? Or was it the idea of having an 'ice' type establishment that will send anyone non British home wether they have the right to be here or not? What's reforms stance on isreal/gaza?

Because all I have heard from anyone on the right recently is 'stop the boats' the boats that have got worse because of brexit. Remember brexit? When farage printed a LIE on a bus about how it will help the NHS? Has brexit helped the NHS? Wheres all this extra money they promised from brexit? All I can see is spiralling living costs and over run boarders.

So as a middle class, hard working, tax paying, mixed herritage woman I find it difficult to vote for a party that seems to dislike anyone who isn't a white british man.

The left parties aren't great either, there is no right party to vote for at the moment, as the system is broken.

But let's all try to not be rasict, sexist or fascist towards eachother. Lets not try to insult others intelligence because they have different morals and ideas about what they want from the government.

You get arseholes on the right, and arseholes on the left... thats just humans

Angry at billionaires?

What is this? Sixth form common room?

Is that the extent of your thinking? Let’s be angry at billionaires .

InstantlyBella · 10/05/2026 11:38

AStonedRose · 10/05/2026 11:29

I think the word you're looking for is 'sorry' @InstantlyBella

Out of context my arse. Would you write 'black people can safely be ignored' or 'women can safely be ignored'?

You're the problem other (right wing) posters are describing.

No don't just compare what I said to something horrific like ignoring black people. That is just so disingenuous and makes you look like a lunatic.

Well all know the type of people I was talking about. The kind of white working class that are obsessed with football, usually work in manual labour jobs and have copious amounts of St George's flags all over their council house. I was not talking about every person from the white working class community, there are plenty of decent hardworking folks that are a real shining beacon for humanity.

AStonedRose · 10/05/2026 11:32

Leftynutcracker · 10/05/2026 11:19

Nothing surprises me about the left anymore. Their hateful ideology is the exact opposite of Hope not hate. Do as I say not as I do.

I don't see anything hateful about thinking racism is bad, thinking immigration isn't destroying the country, being willing to pay higher taxes for better public services, and believing in a state that looks after its most vulnerable.

As @InstantlyBella has demonstrated with their hateful post about 'white working class' people (such as me), there are some pretty crappy elements too. But that applies on both sides.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 10/05/2026 11:31

You thought people on the left were trying to be "cool"?

AStonedRose · 10/05/2026 11:29

InstantlyBella · 10/05/2026 11:18

I just want to clarify by the way that when I stated that they could be safely ignored, I meant the anti-immigration and pro-patriotism aspect of the white working class. Not every person from that particular community. Don't take me out of context please.

I think the word you're looking for is 'sorry' @InstantlyBella

Out of context my arse. Would you write 'black people can safely be ignored' or 'women can safely be ignored'?

You're the problem other (right wing) posters are describing.

Northermcharn · 10/05/2026 11:28

Having read the posts on here, it seems to me that people are conflating anyone who's now 'right' (many of whom used to be centre / left but are now right due to the Overton window moving) with the far right horrible racist ex BNP folk. Some of the latter will support Reform (eg, those fb comments above), of course that is true.

However -

Most people who have moved from eg. the red wall to Reform, are not racist. They simply want their quality of life back. And no one is listening to them. They've been left behind. Labour are no longer supporting the very people they were formed for in the first place. Reform is saying all the things they want to hear - because reform are listening. The fact they will do fck all or worse - isn't the point. But the left do not care to understand this.

The Conservative party if by far the best option . Their time will come again and it won't be that far away.

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Leftynutcracker · 10/05/2026 11:27

TemperanceWest · 10/05/2026 11:20

I think that poster is taking the piss?

I'm not so sure.

"The left' as you put it, haven't been shaming people enough. If you know anybody who voted Reform or intends to vote Reform in the future you need to call them out in public, make them explain themselves to society/their friends/colleagues etc. Make them a pariah in society. They'll get the message soon enough."

I guess she's dusting of the old dunking stool as we speak.

Leftynutcracker · 10/05/2026 11:22

InstantlyBella · 10/05/2026 11:18

I just want to clarify by the way that when I stated that they could be safely ignored, I meant the anti-immigration and pro-patriotism aspect of the white working class. Not every person from that particular community. Don't take me out of context please.

Ah you mean those who you arrogantly assign rationale to. So Bella reckons we should go back to stool dunking. Let's find out if those voters are witches eh. Frightening form of control.

TemperanceWest · 10/05/2026 11:20

Leftynutcracker · 10/05/2026 11:12

Hmmm shame the Greens aren't more sympathetic to you know the actual tax payers. You're completely deluded but your thinking is an own goal for Reform. You're still not getting it. Oh yes this thread was certainly made with you in mind. Arrogance personified insisting you know best. Its good entertainment though.

I think that poster is taking the piss?

Leftynutcracker · 10/05/2026 11:19

AStonedRose · 10/05/2026 11:12

This is one poster's view, and respectfully to that poster, it's mental.

I am white working class, I'm anti-racist, pro-immigration (within parameters) and support higher taxes and better public services.

How dare s/he say that I can 'safely be ignored'. @InstantlyBella doesn't realise how hateful her post is.

Nothing surprises me about the left anymore. Their hateful ideology is the exact opposite of Hope not hate. Do as I say not as I do.

Cammyk · 10/05/2026 11:18

People talk about LEFT and RIGHT as if what we hear and see in the media encapsulates everyone under those umbrella’s. The voices that are amplified are those that are loudest and those that are in the extremes. Most people live along the spectrum. Most people aren’t hatful (which ever wing you fall on). People have different priorities, and so we should. People have different living experiences. The left and the right are your neighbours and family and friends. It’s time we stop putting so much credence into what the loud mouths are saying. And find common community.

InstantlyBella · 10/05/2026 11:18

AStonedRose · 10/05/2026 11:12

This is one poster's view, and respectfully to that poster, it's mental.

I am white working class, I'm anti-racist, pro-immigration (within parameters) and support higher taxes and better public services.

How dare s/he say that I can 'safely be ignored'. @InstantlyBella doesn't realise how hateful her post is.

I just want to clarify by the way that when I stated that they could be safely ignored, I meant the anti-immigration and pro-patriotism aspect of the white working class. Not every person from that particular community. Don't take me out of context please.