The Left have a become a snivelling self-righteous mob, busy bodying around, trying to shame others

This, for a start: ‘Of course you try to gaslight, it's what the left do’.
But also by implication. I suggested the Tories weren’t paragons of virtue for the last 14 years and got a whole tirade about the left and how all the bad things are our fault.

Honestly, pal, it's not worth it...

It’s nonsense though, isn’t it? You blame him for losing the election at which Cameron got in, therefore you blame him for Cameron’s actions. He’s not a root cause of Brexit. Cameron trying to appease the Reformistas in his party is. Plus his arrogance in not framing the referendum in the way one for constitutional change should be framed - needing a supermajority. Then leaving the minute he didn’t get the answer he thought he would. Blaming the defeated party for the actions of the winner is just odd.

Thank you, I appreciate the compliment.

I'd far rather do me than do you. For obvious reasons.

Sorry, but if you're going to post things like 'Ed Miliband is responsible for Brexit', people are going to take the piss.

I'm happy to be polite and respectful, on the whole, but at this point, you've made yourself a laughing stock. There's a level below which you stop deserving even cursory respect.

Which bit of what I’ve posted is gaslighting? I gave you my opinion abput what you had said and pointed out that it was the exact behaviour you accuse the left of - you were self righteous and shaming of Miliband (and me). Where is the gaslighting please?

Ed Milliband being responsible for Brexit is one of the more outlandish claims that I've heard on MN, I must admit.

Ed Miliband's responsible for Brexit? Not Cameron, Johnson or Farage?

Nurse, the restraints!

😂😂😂😂😂

He’s made you be a right winger? How odd. No, he isn’t the reason for Brexit. The arrogance of Cameron and Brexit voters gave us Brexit. You can’t blame it on Miliband I’m afraid.
And again - self righteous and shaming people. Isn’t that what the left do, according to your OP and thread title?
Edit: I’m not sure what you think gaslighting is, but it’s not my post.

If openly racist, misogynist and ableist is cool now then I'm very happy to be uncool.

Why do right wingers often think "the Left" (often written with a capital letter L) is single monolithic bloc - not a diverse group of people with different views, perspectives and opinion, and disagreements among themselves? Obviously the same applies to right and centre.

I agree. This was a really venomous, hypocritical and frankly weird post.

Talk about undermining your own main argument.

I would describe myself as 'old labour' and certainly don't think unfettered immigration is a good thing (and, incidentally, isn't what's happening - net migration has fallen from close to a million to under 200k in the last couple of years).

Questions around how many people are in the country, where they come from, what skills they have etc. are really complicated, and cut across everything else - pensions, healthcare, economic growth etc. It's been done to death, but one key factor is that our low birth rate, combined with people living longer, is stressing state pensions, the NHS and a few other things.

'Importing' people so that that demographic makeup changes has worked in some ways but not others. I'm not daft enough to think that cultural integration is a non-issue, but some of the frothing about (particularly) Islam, under cover of 'legitimate concern', is old-school race hate straight out of the 1930s play book. How on earth has this become our main political football when there's so much else going on.

I’m not required to respond to every post. Another poster was in discussion with that poster and doing an excellent job at refuting her. I sent her thanks and agreement responses. But obviously I’m a horrible person because I chose not to weigh in myself. What was that about the left being self righteous and shaming people again?

Blimey. You accuse ‘the left’ of being self righteous and insulting then unleash a tirade like that against a man who has done you no harm, and in fact seems both rather decent and a good politician. I think you’ve properly undermined your own thesis there.
Very aggressive post considering what you were responding to - and pretty much off topic too. How odd. And defensive. And what was that about the left shaming others?

Farage and co literally are the establishment! How anyone can think otherwise is baffling

Fear mongering

Open borders, unlimited immigraton

Brexit was the same, remember Farage and that poster?

Why do you think anyone who is a centreist or centre left think unfettered immigration is fine and dandy? I don’t and neither do the current Labour gvt- however I am pro EU as it worked both ways and to be frank I’m not sure these days that many would be rushing here . It was the Tory’s who allowed ridiculous amounts of 3rd world immigration post Brexit , complete with families in tow - I know as I worked at one of the places they had immigration processing centres . I’m sure it was partly to leave Labour dealing with consequences as by then they knew they were toast - these very same people have top roles in Reform-