AIBU to feel so weary of labour voters going on

And the leader of the Green party allowed racist candidates to represent the party, thus endorsing antisemitism. Do you want me to list all the awful things that have been said by various Green party candidates or by those already in post because I could?

I think you're probably right that "there is a much larger percentage of racist reform voters than there is of antisemitic Green voters" (because many Green voters are idealists and not motivated by race issues) but I disagree that there is a "sliding scale of atrociousness" when it comes to racism.

It's as bad to be antisemitic as it is to be anti Muslim or anti Black people or any other form of racism. It's disgusting that Polanski is allowing the Green party to be represented by some people who have expressed openly antisemitic views.

And it's equally disgusting that Farage allows Reform to be represented by certain people such as the man mentioned above who is openly racist.

The leader of Reform is a racist.

Reform voters are not necessarily racist, but they don't mind voting for a party whose leader is a racist.

Do you think that message has reached Starmer, and the cabinet?

And, if so, talk aside, do you think they are willing and able to change course?

I know that @Twiglets1! She said I ended up at Oxbridge. So I asked which one? Maybe she’s so clever she went to both Oxford and Cambridge!

Both are populist parties led by snake oil salesmen, but Farage is legions worse than Polanski and my feeling is that there is a much larger percentage of racist reform voters than there is of antisemitic Green voters. Not all parties are the same, there is most definitely a sliding scale of atrociousness and reform are, in my opinion, worse than greens. Lots of the reform voters I know are racist. None of the Green voters I know are antisemitic, They tend to be more of the type that are “so open minded their brains have fallen out”. I don’t live in an area with à l high Muslim population, so I imagine my viewpoint is skewed by my experience. Lots of the “non-racist” reform voters I know see the same spread of people that I do, so why are they less bothered by it?

In addition, Labour has been horrendously cowardly in not taking a far stronger stand on the war crimes in Palestine. I can understand people marching in protests against war crimes, and we should all protest, but it’s impossible to march without doing so alongside “internationalise the intifada” types, so I don’t know what the solution is there.

Where’s Oxbridge? Do you mean you ended up at Oxford? That’s all I’ve taken from this sorry!

However from Labour voters I’ve heard a lot of introspection, talking about how the party needs to change, re-position, new leadership etc. I think Labour realise they’ve fucked up

That's basically what our Labour councillors are saying, even the ones who were successful.

Newly elected Reform councillor believes the holocaust was a hoax.

www.jewishnews.co.uk/reform-uk-face-questions-after-holocaust-is-a-hoax-candidate-elected/

The North East has been overlooked by successive governments for decades. Entrenched inequalities, higher rates of poverty and unemployment and lower educational outcomes in many communities compared with the UK average. That’s not a reflection of a lack of potential though, the North East is a brilliant part of the country with huge strengths. They’ve been left behind.

However from Labour voters I’ve heard a lot of introspection, talking about how the party needs to change, re-position, new leadership etc. I think Labour realise they’ve fucked up

That's basically what our Labour councillors are saying, even the ones who were successful.

It’s on here and the blame the tories mantra that makes me groan. Two child cap removed and the benefits bill through the roof, working people struggling to pay for it. It’s the tories fault, don’tcha know.

It’s on here and the blame the tories mantra that makes me groan. Two child cap removed and the benefits bill through the roof, working people struggling to pay for it. It’s the tories fault, don’tcha know.

Voters are malleable. If they weren't which party would ever bother campaigning, issuing leaflets or making party political broadcasts.

Why would billionaires with a motive seek to own the media and social media?

The relentless drip of media - from the first day after the last election was intense. The Telegraph and Daily Mail were intense and hysterical in their reaction to the extent that my lifelong Telegraph reading elderly friend stopped buying it for the first time in their life. They said it had become a comic/tabloid.

We are all malleable and gullible to an extent but we have our limits.

Following that logic - voters are malleable and gullible.

I think that’s way too simplistic, and dangerous.

I am sorry you're being called a racist on this thread. I would never vote for reform - I've seen too much of nigel farage and don't trust him at all and the lies he's peddled and I genuinely think for working people, their rights will be massively eroded and so much worse if he gets in.

but i completely understand why at this point people have voted for him if they believe he will deliver for them.

for the sake of transparency, I voted green yesterday. I cannot bring myself to vote for labour. I don't want more of the same that keeps a status quo. i want people to genuinely see a future for themselves and want higher taxes for corporations and billionaires that don't pay their fair share and more accesible housing. I'm not an anti semite either which is the other slur labelled by labour friends. the truth is i've always been a labour voter but ive just realised the party represents my labour friends with far different life experiences and futures ahead of them than me - so it makes sense that I would no longer align with this party.

Sorry, thinking more about it, my view of greens is probably shaped not by the fact that I don’t live in an area with lots of Muslims, but by the fact I don’t live in an area with lots of students. The “up for a fight” crowd on the Green side are probably concentrated in the “young, male and living away from home” demographic. The up for a fight on the right side seem to be more made up of middle aged wife beaters (40% of those arrested in the summer riots had previously been reported for domestic abuse).

Yes I’ve heard of him recently and it’s crazy to me that Farage didn’t sack him from the party at the time those comments first came to light.

I feel the public should make it clear we won’t tolerate racism in any form from political candidates. I hope Farage gets forced to belatedly sack him now.