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Wellwhatnowbellaboo · 2026-05-09T09:06:48+00:00

Reform has won by a landslide .... immigration is probably by the look of it the biggest issue. What can realistically without breaking laws be done to really halt this with a big impact ? What would Farage actually do ? Would and should we as a country break some laws to get this done and speak to what people really feel is an issue ? (Many countries do). This is not in labour's dna so I doubt anything will come if it now ... but if you've thought about it or you have solutions what are they ? And if you are opposed- why and what's the answer ?

jcyclops · 09/05/2026 22:01

Now that reform have control in Newcastle-under-Lyme they can easily stop boats full of immigrants sailing up the Mersey and down the Trent & Mersey Canal. Job done.

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 22:00

Vivienne1000 · 09/05/2026 21:58

Sorry - thought you were being sarcastic.
Totally my fault.
I have lived in Tehran and been spat at by men in the streets. I worry about all those Iranians coming in on boats.

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You and I are singing from the same hymn sheet, I should have chosen a different emoji!

Vivienne1000 · 09/05/2026 21:58

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 21:55

Er…I’m agreeing with you!

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Sorry - thought you were being sarcastic.
Totally my fault.
I have lived in Tehran and been spat at by men in the streets. I worry about all those Iranians coming in on boats.

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 21:55

Vivienne1000 · 09/05/2026 21:25

yawn.
Believe me you are a world away from being all knowing.

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Er…I’m agreeing with you!

Allisnotlost1 · 09/05/2026 21:45

EasternStandard · 09/05/2026 18:38

Putting Aus and UK in as who pays more for the asylum process it’s the UK system overall.

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Putting them in where?

I’d assume without checking that costs in Australia would be lower as they’re farther away from other countries.

celandiney · 09/05/2026 21:37

HermioneWeasley · 09/05/2026 11:27

A polish friend was saying to me that if people try to get into the country illegally the army use water cannons on them. They are removed if spotted on the streets. Local communities don’t tolerate the building of mosques - if any are attempted they are pulled down in the night.

So a country without freedom of religion. I don’t want that for my country.

Vivienne1000 · 09/05/2026 21:26

Gcol · 09/05/2026 21:08

Also many want to go to the UK as they have friends, cousins etc here

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I have friends in Algeria. I don’t want to live there.

Vivienne1000 · 09/05/2026 21:25

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 21:07

👏👏👏

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yawn.
Believe me you are a world away from being all knowing.

ilovesleep6 · 09/05/2026 21:12

Gcol · 09/05/2026 21:09

I do wish these immigrants that the UK is not the land of milk, honey and dreams.

I’ve seen videos and news articles of people saying they regret it as it’s not the paradise they thought it would be.

Allisnotlost1 · 09/05/2026 21:10

ilovesleep6 · 09/05/2026 20:58

Eh? What do you mean? Murder is a serious conviction.

Here is another article on the story if the other wasn’t clear.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2197806/brighton-beach-rapist-three-star-hotel-egypt-murder-conviction/amp

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You seem a bit confused. You said this man came here to escape the death penalty. He didn’t, he claimed to have applied for asylum to avoid a ‘lengthy jail sentence’ according to the first article you posted. His defence team said this was actually not his conviction but his brother’s. In any case, escaping a sentence for murder does not make someone eligible for asylum, so had he made that claim it would have been rejected, and even if he claimed on other grounds it’s likely he would have been rejected because of the seriousness of the conviction.

This case is not an example of a person coming to the UK to escape the death penalty for rape, and/or because the UK is ‘lenient’ on rape.

Gcol · 09/05/2026 21:09

I do wish these immigrants that the UK is not the land of milk, honey and dreams.

Gcol · 09/05/2026 21:08

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 21:07

👏👏👏

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Also many want to go to the UK as they have friends, cousins etc here

Gcol · 09/05/2026 21:07

ilovesleep6 · 09/05/2026 20:58

Eh? What do you mean? Murder is a serious conviction.

Here is another article on the story if the other wasn’t clear.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2197806/brighton-beach-rapist-three-star-hotel-egypt-murder-conviction/amp

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That link doesn't work try this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg090pe65vo

Also having a criminal record in another country - doesn't have to be your country of birth and doing criminal things should mean immediate deportation and serve the sentence in their home country.

Three pictures of men's faces up close. They all have brown eyes.

Three men guilty of 'callous' Brighton beach rape

The men, who are all asylum seekers, had denied targeting the woman in the early hours of October 4.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg090pe65vo

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 21:07

Vivienne1000 · 09/05/2026 21:04

My husband has worked in most dangerous countries in the world. They have an unrealistic idea of what the Uk can offer. Always the UK,never other countries. They want to escape, but when they come here they want those same traditions and way of life to continue here. Men from these countries do not respect women. And you lot are cheering them on and welcoming them with open arms. You need to live in these countries to see the reality of what we are encouraging.

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👏👏👏

Vivienne1000 · 09/05/2026 21:04

likelysuspect · 09/05/2026 18:22

They may have residency in other countries though and it may not be safe for them to go back to the country that they were originally from. The country may not accept it. Im telling why its not as straightforward as people think it is.

You dont claim asylum from outside the UK anyway, lots of us have reminded posters of this. Not sure why this keeps getting forgotten as surely people do know this?

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My husband has worked in most dangerous countries in the world. They have an unrealistic idea of what the Uk can offer. Always the UK,never other countries. They want to escape, but when they come here they want those same traditions and way of life to continue here. Men from these countries do not respect women. And you lot are cheering them on and welcoming them with open arms. You need to live in these countries to see the reality of what we are encouraging.

Gcol · 09/05/2026 21:03

Though I would like them to have better English. That should be heavy waiting. A former colleague works for an organisation that deals with people trying to get visas. Most of them are from Middle East and east Africa (Etheria, Ethiopia, Sudan) via phone. Have to speak to them through interpreters. I can understand some of the legal terms, its possible that they may not able to understand this but conversational English could be good

ilovesleep6 · 09/05/2026 20:58

Allisnotlost1 · 09/05/2026 20:51

The article says he came here to ‘evade a lengthy jail sentence’.

I’m in favour of rejecting applicants with serious convictions for violence, but making up stories doesn’t support your point at all.

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Eh? What do you mean? Murder is a serious conviction.

Here is another article on the story if the other wasn’t clear.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2197806/brighton-beach-rapist-three-star-hotel-egypt-murder-conviction/amp

Allisnotlost1 · 09/05/2026 20:51

ilovesleep6 · 09/05/2026 20:15

This man came here to escape the death penalty after being convicted of murder in his home country.

https://www.gbnews.com/news/asylum-seeker-brighton-beach-rape-murder-egypt

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The article says he came here to ‘evade a lengthy jail sentence’.

I’m in favour of rejecting applicants with serious convictions for violence, but making up stories doesn’t support your point at all.

WooWooWinnie · 09/05/2026 20:41

mydogisthebest · 09/05/2026 12:58

I can't blame them for wanting to come here if they have family here or if they speak english but to put their lives at risk when they are already in a safe country is crazy. I certainly do blame them for putting their childrens' lives at risk in boats though

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I think there is a compassionate line of thought here too…..how desperate are you if you feel that that is your best option? It’s not free either - families spend their life savings on those risky boat trips (that I don’t doubt are mis-sold). No wonder they arrive traumatised and with nothing. Don’t believe the rhetoric about them being put up in nice hotels either….i work in those hotels, they are absolute cesspits. There are many people quietly profiting from this system and that is what needs tackling IMO. Not just a blanket approach of taking everyone’s right away, starting with the most vulnerable. Sort out “the immigrants” and the women are next.

SoSoSoSickofthis · 09/05/2026 20:35

ilovesleep6 · 09/05/2026 17:10

And yet so many of them need translators as they can’t speak English.

’opportunities’ is not a reason for asylum, that makes someone an economic migrant.

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You can be a sanctuary seeker AND make a choice on where you seek that sanctuary based on personal choices.

ilovesleep6 · 09/05/2026 20:15

Allisnotlost1 · 09/05/2026 19:54

Well, a handful of countries do have the death penalty yes, but it’s almost always for rape in specific circumstances - for example of a child, or where it results in death of the victim. And it’s rare that it’s used, at least partly because countries that have it have poor records on women’s rights, so it’s hard for women to even report.

Life imprisonment is also the maximum sentence for rape in England and Wales.

It’s an odd thing to link though, I haven’t seen a single case of a man seeking asylum here because the UK is more lenient on rape. Maybe you have.

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This man came here to escape the death penalty after being convicted of murder in his home country.

https://www.gbnews.com/news/asylum-seeker-brighton-beach-rape-murder-egypt

Asylum seeker found guilty of Brighton beach rape is 'convicted murderer in Egypt'

The attack occurred in the early hours of October 4 last year after the 33-year-old victim became separated from her friends following a night out at a nightclub

https://www.gbnews.com/news/asylum-seeker-brighton-beach-rape-murder-egypt

Allisnotlost1 · 09/05/2026 19:54

ilovesleep6 · 09/05/2026 19:40

Yes?

Many countries have the death penalty or life imprisonment for rape.

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Well, a handful of countries do have the death penalty yes, but it’s almost always for rape in specific circumstances - for example of a child, or where it results in death of the victim. And it’s rare that it’s used, at least partly because countries that have it have poor records on women’s rights, so it’s hard for women to even report.

Life imprisonment is also the maximum sentence for rape in England and Wales.

It’s an odd thing to link though, I haven’t seen a single case of a man seeking asylum here because the UK is more lenient on rape. Maybe you have.

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 19:41

ilovesleep6 · 09/05/2026 19:40

Yes?

Many countries have the death penalty or life imprisonment for rape.

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Snd them there,then!

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 19:40

Fluffypuppy1 · 09/05/2026 19:35

They’re not. Only around 16% of PIP claimants are in work.

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Correct, but a lot try and convince us its a much higher percentage!

ilovesleep6 · 09/05/2026 19:40

Allisnotlost1 · 09/05/2026 19:36

A man who would be at risk in his native country as a rapist obviously made a pretty informed decision to rape somebody and being The Country Where It’s Cushty To Be A Rapist is another incentive problem and also a terrible problem in itself.

What does this mean? You think the UK is a country that’s more lenient on sexual
violence than countries small boat arrivals are leaving?

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Yes?

Many countries have the death penalty or life imprisonment for rape.