So what can in practical terms fully halt illegal immigration?

The only person picking a fight here is you. It was a minor point that you’ve now quoted me on three times. I can understand why you chose to say 2018, but if you cite something that immediately contradicts you, you’re not going to persuade people who don’t know/agree. Hopefully you can calm down and understand why facts are important on a subject where many don’t grasp them. 2018 is not factual.

I don’t know why you can’t understand why I said 2018 rather than the handful of arrivals several years earlier, so there we are then.

If you want a discussion, or a debate, then fine. But if you just want a row over something ridiculous, then go and pick a fight with someone else. I’m not interested.

I read a post online saying "With luck we will wake up on Friday with Nigel Farage in number 10.'
Surely they were trolling?! That's just too depressing to think otherwise 😭😂

For the (2nd, 3rd?) time, at least get your numbers right when criticising others. I don’t know what’s complicated about it.

I’ve heard discussions where some say most who get pip are in work. Obviously don’t do their research.,

So why are you being so argumentative about a point that you don’t even disagree with?

I just read the Reform policy on small boats and while I can see ‘No more free housing’ will attract voters, there’s no obvious plan behind that. What will they do with asylum seekers? Just leave them out in a back yard?

’No more benefits’ - fine but how will we clothe and feed them? Let them starve in the clothes they arrived in?

I know something needs to be done but Reform are not the answer.

There must be some adults somewhere who can figure this out with compassion.

🙄 Because 2018 was when the numbers started increasing. If I’d posted that they started coming several years earlier, some other smartarse would have been moaning that it was only a handful of boats so didn’t count.

PIP Is for the most life impacting conditions. Of course it makes sense that the majority aren’t in work. It’s not a gotcha.

How do Australia do it? Do they not have to try so much because they are harder to reach?

Why doesn’t the world condemn them for not letting more people in?

Why isn’t there more discussion about why people want to come here and addressing that?

What do people think Reform can do about it?

Why can’t we employ more people to shift the back log. We find money for all sorts of crap f we want to.

Id like to see a cross party working group, including proper professions from relevant backgrounds and with proper knowledge (not CEOs who are really figureheads) sit down to discuss what to do for the best of everyone, ourselves and those who decide they need to migrate here.

At no point did I say it was Brexit.

And that 5% need housing, feeding etc!

What she’s saying is right. It’s not Brexit, the DA etc

Why should the country nearest to the issue shoulder it all? It’s not their problem either.

Presumably they come here for a wide range of reasons: family, perceived opportunity, language. Loads of other reasons I am clueless about.

I know the facts myself, my issue was that they posted something that was contradicted by the first line of their source.

You’re right, some are committing crimes. Let’s deport everyone from that country then, including the little girls in your school and their surgeon fathers.

Tbf @WilfredsPiesis getting it right. If you read her posts you’ll see the facts around small boats / the DA and Brexit etc

Yes, but if you’re going to berate someone quite so forcefully at least get your facts straight.

If they all wanted to leave their regime behind then why are some of them committing crimes, some of which are murders and rapes. Some are coming over to do exactly that and try and infiltrate into our way of life.

That was just a handful of arrivals; the numbers started increasing in 2018, after Tony Smith confirms that Border Force made it harder to get though due to increased security.

The point remains that it’s nothing to do with Brexit.

So yes, many people need interpreters but don’t want to pay for them.

@EstrellaPolar in these cases are the non-Spanish speaking English people given interpreters for free?

The article you’ve posted said the BBC first reported on small boat arrivals in 2014 and 2015.

The boats didn’t only start after Brexit ffs! We left the EU in January 2020. Small boat arrivals began in 2018 and numbers started increasing when the traffickers realised how much easier it was to stick 70 people on a boat, on a deserted beach with no security trying to stop them, rather than trying to get 10 people through angry lorry drivers and port security in the back of a lorry, again and again and again until they managed to get through.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0w9zw57glo

It’s not the difference at all. You may sit in on those interviews but you are very clearly not privy to what goes on behind the scenes. You have seen one thing and another thing, you’ve put them together and have drawn incorrect conclusions to why one person might have their claim decided very quickly and why another person’s claim might take longer.

Actually, many show up at the town hall or hospital without an interpreter, then demand they be helped in English by local staff. I’ve seen many people get frustrated and annoyed at the fact that nobody could speak English (or they could, but chose not to and instead used their native language, as legally entitled at their place of work).

So yes, many people need interpreters but don’t want to pay for them.