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So what can in practical terms fully halt illegal immigration?

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Wellwhatnowbellaboo · 09/05/2026 10:06

Reform has won by a landslide .... immigration is probably by the look of it the biggest issue. What can realistically without breaking laws be done to really halt this with a big impact ? What would Farage actually do ? Would and should we as a country break some laws to get this done and speak to what people really feel is an issue ? (Many countries do). This is not in labour's dna so I doubt anything will come if it now ... but if you've thought about it or you have solutions what are they ?
And if you are opposed- why and what's the answer ?

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EstrellaPolar · 09/05/2026 13:33

ID cards. ID cards. ID cards.

In Spain, you cannot work, open a bank account, go to the doctor, fill a prescription, apply for a bus pass, enrol your child in school, take a long-distance train, rent a house, drive a car, etc… WITHOUT an ID card (or valid residence permit).

It’s not controlling, it’s not a militia government, it’s a perfectly safe and normal system in which the country’s inhabitants have to identify themselves before accessing a majority of public and private services.

I don’t have to show ID every time I do those things, but I need my ID number in order to set my life up. Go ask a British expat in Spain (actually, an expat is a migrant, but I digress), if they were able to do anything before getting their NIE numbers.

Of course we still have illegal migration issues (what country doesn’t!) but there is a clear pathway to integration and regulation of people’s status, due to how the system is set up.

The country is about to approve residence permits to almost 1 million “illegal” migrants - most of them, Latin / South Americans who came on a visitor’s visa and overstayed. They are fast-tracking a lot of residence applications, family reunification visas, and degree conversions so that these people can be given legal status and start working legally. God knows how much they’ve struggled to earn a living in recent years.

We have a moral responsibility, let alone a financial reason for it. The country and economy needs migrants. Let’s stop saying “they’re taking over, they’re invading us”, when we did the exact same.

We went over there, colonised them, killed them, took over their countries. Why can’t they do the same? Perhaps the UK should look at making it much easier for migrants from colonised territories to access a visa or residence permit. Not just commonwealth countries…

usedtobeaylis · 09/05/2026 13:32

The rank stupidity on here blows the fucking mind.

usedtobeaylis · 09/05/2026 13:31

Wearenotborg · 09/05/2026 13:28

I have an idea. Illegal immigrants are placed with anyone who is on record as saying “everyone is welcome”. One immigrant per person and that person is fully responsible for the wellbeing of the immigrant. Food, shelter, clothing, medical treatment. Any immigrant not placed with a family is returned. Wonder how fast the people saying everyone is welcome would change their minds if they had to take responsibility.

You're right, the responsibility for trauma caused by war should absolutely lie with the general population that is generally opposed to the war, and not the state to that is gleefully participating in and funding it. Amazing problem solving skills. Mumsnet strikes again 👏

usedtobeaylis · 09/05/2026 13:29

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 09/05/2026 13:26

That should be stopped. I heard Albanians come as asylum seekers, hadn’t heard they were persecuted (Albanians).

Trafficked Albanians would absolutely qualify to apply for asylum.

Wearenotborg · 09/05/2026 13:28

kinkytoes · 09/05/2026 10:51

Reduce the comfy life and benefits offered here. I honestly think that's the only way.

People aren't coming here for the weather, that's for sure.

I have an idea. Illegal immigrants are placed with anyone who is on record as saying “everyone is welcome”. One immigrant per person and that person is fully responsible for the wellbeing of the immigrant. Food, shelter, clothing, medical treatment. Any immigrant not placed with a family is returned. Wonder how fast the people saying everyone is welcome would change their minds if they had to take responsibility.

usedtobeaylis · 09/05/2026 13:27

AyeDeadOn · 09/05/2026 12:06

Sure, sure. So you want to import those "tensions" here in big enough numbers that we have similar problems? Like Jewish primary schools needing security guards, for example?

I think there's a pretty fucking big difference between a negligible number of people from a Middle Eastern country coming here, and being sent into a camp on a border of the same fucking country where they're being persecuted in. Get a grip for the love of fucking God.

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 09/05/2026 13:26

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 13:25

They will call themselves asylum seekers when they are often economic migrants.

That should be stopped. I heard Albanians come as asylum seekers, hadn’t heard they were persecuted (Albanians).

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 09/05/2026 13:25

Economic migrants should have stricter controls. Basically they’re looking for jobs because women in their home countries are getting jobs.

Maddy70 · 09/05/2026 13:25

AyeDeadOn · 09/05/2026 10:36

Why arent they seeking asylum in the first safe country? Once they choose to go through another safe country, or many other safe countries, imo they are no longer asylum seekers. They have other reasons for wanting to come specifically here, not just to a safe place.

There are many practical reasons why some travel through safe counties to come to the UK (bearing in mind that most do actually stay in the other countries, Britain only received a tiny percentage )
Language , family ties , employment prospects etc

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 13:25

asdbaybeeee · 09/05/2026 13:19

People in the UK without a legal right to be here (unauthorised migrants) are generally ineligible for mainstream benefits, public funds, or social housing. They are legally excluded from working and accessing public support, although limited assistance may be provided by local authorities in specific circumstances (e.g., child welfare)

They will call themselves asylum seekers when they are often economic migrants.

zoemum2006 · 09/05/2026 13:24

As previously said it wasn't a landslide. It just reflects the portion of people in the UK who have a more authoritarian mindset.

What it represents is the fragmentation of party politics. Labour didn't lose out to Reform, they lost out to the Greens - probably because they'd been so vocally anti-immigrant.

Labour need to keep their liberal/ progressive support on side too. Their problem was that they were trying to our-Reform Reform and it just alienated their own supporters.

Do people actually care that much about immigration? I don't think the Reform party actually care (far more immigration because of Brexit).

Surely we should be looking to improving the opportunities for people in this country? Ensure people can get good jobs and the economy works for people.

Alexandra2001 · 09/05/2026 13:23

Whysnothingsimple · 09/05/2026 13:08

There’s going to have to be a multifaceted approach. Firstly asylum should only be temporary. Even the BBC has recognised the industry around falsifying information around claims, claiming you’re fleeing because you’re gay. If that person is subsequently shown to be in a heterosexual relationship then that person should have their asylum status retracted. We shouldn’t be granting asylum based on political opinion or religion, both those things are life style choices.

We need to be more insistent on integration and less tolerant of bending over backwards to accommodate other cultures. If you live in Britain, you should abide by British norms and values. We shouldn’t allow the abhorrent slaughter rituals of religions. Our educational system should be one founded on British pride.

All public signs should be in English or Gaelic or Welsh or Cornish, not Urdu etc. same with leaflets, election speeches etc.

We shouldn’t be allowing the takeover of Trafalgar square for religious rituals other than those linked to our national identity, ie Christian or Celtic Pagan.

There should be zero support for any religious based laws, no Sharia courts should be allowed etc. We shouldn’t have teachers in hiding because they criticised a land grabbing caravan trader who lived 1500 years ago. Anyone involved in the reason he is in hiding should be prosecuted.

If we started insisting that everyone who lived here was fully integrated into the UK then I suspect far fewer people would want to come.

Poland is a good basis for this.

Would you ban the sale of food outlets and ingredients sold in Super Markets that are not "traditionally British" too?

I've no idea what "British Norms and Values" are, can you give us all a list please?

LeedsLoiner · 09/05/2026 13:23

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 11:33

But many don’t speak English, hence millions spent on interpreters and translators. Many have lived here for years and still don’t speak English. Many don’t understand the culture either eg how women should be treated!

Edited

So they’re just like the British “ex-pats” in Spain, Turkey, Cyprus and the Middle East?

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 13:22

SomedayIllBeSaturdayNight · 09/05/2026 13:17

I don't work for the home office, but a brief search tells me they do this:

When someone claims asylum in the UK without passports or identity papers, the authorities do not automatically reject the claim. Many refugees arrive without documents for legitimate reasons — documents may have been confiscated, destroyed, lost during flight, or impossible to obtain safely.

Instead, the Home Office tries to assess whether the person’s account is credible using a combination of interviews, evidence, background checks, and consistency testing.

Typical process:

1. Screening interview

Soon after arrival, the person is asked:

  • name, nationality, date of birth,
  • route travelled,
  • family members,
  • why they came to the UK,
  • whether they have documents.

Officials also take:

  • fingerprints,
  • photographs,
  • biometric data.

The fingerprints are checked against UK and European databases to see whether the person previously claimed asylum elsewhere or used another identity.

2. Substantive asylum interview

Later, there is a detailed interview about:

  • what happened in the home country,
  • fears of persecution,
  • political/religious/ethnic background,
  • timeline of events,
  • travel route.

Decision-makers look heavily at:

  • internal consistency,
  • whether the story changes over time,
  • whether details fit known country conditions,
  • whether the account sounds plausible in light of independent evidence.

3. Country evidence

The Home Office compares the claim against:

  • human-rights reports,
  • news reporting,
  • intelligence,
  • expert assessments,
  • country policy and information notes.

For example, if someone claims persecution by a militia in a particular region, officials compare the account with known conditions there.

4. Corroborating evidence

Even without passports, applicants may provide:

  • phone records,
  • social media,
  • photos/videos,
  • medical reports,
  • witness statements,
  • party membership cards,
  • arrest warrants,
  • school/work documents,
  • language analysis.

Sometimes linguistic experts assess accent/dialect to estimate regional origin.

5. Credibility assessment

UK law allows decision-makers to consider lack of documents as a factor affecting credibility if they think the person could reasonably have produced them. But absence of papers alone is not supposed to determine the outcome.

Officials also look at:

  • whether the person claimed asylum promptly,
  • whether they used false identities,
  • whether they destroyed documents deliberately,
  • inconsistencies between interviews.

6. Standard of proof

The asylum standard is lower than in criminal law. The claimant does not have to prove everything “beyond reasonable doubt.” The question is broadly whether there is a “reasonable degree of likelihood” they would face persecution or serious harm if returned.

7. Possible outcomes

The claim may result in:

  • refugee status,
  • humanitarian protection,
  • refusal with appeal rights,
  • detention/removal proceedings.

Some claims are refused mainly because officials conclude the account is not credible rather than because documentary proof is absent.

If they’re going through all that for each one no wonder it’s taking forever! Wonder if they just give them the benefit of the doubt!

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 09/05/2026 13:22

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 11:33

But many don’t speak English, hence millions spent on interpreters and translators. Many have lived here for years and still don’t speak English. Many don’t understand the culture either eg how women should be treated!

Edited

I hate to say it but it’s true. Our local hotel has asylum seekers, lots of “brown” people. Mostly younger men. Sometimes families. Sometimes you see them in the local parks in the summer playing football which is nice, sometimes not. A few are delivery drivers. The one thing I would say which is vital is that they don’t tend to mix with locals. Though I sort of see why. They gets lots of support (including from me) from the local community.

GiorgioArmageddi · 09/05/2026 13:20

Allowing the UK’s tiny amount of illegal immigration, none of whom even qualify for benefits unless they’re refugees, to determine this election was like allowing the US elections to be determined by whoever promised to build a “border wall”…. Oh wait, fuck, that IS what the US did! 😂 Classic case of those who believe in nothing will fall for anything.

BackToLurk · 09/05/2026 13:20

Whysnothingsimple · 09/05/2026 13:08

There’s going to have to be a multifaceted approach. Firstly asylum should only be temporary. Even the BBC has recognised the industry around falsifying information around claims, claiming you’re fleeing because you’re gay. If that person is subsequently shown to be in a heterosexual relationship then that person should have their asylum status retracted. We shouldn’t be granting asylum based on political opinion or religion, both those things are life style choices.

We need to be more insistent on integration and less tolerant of bending over backwards to accommodate other cultures. If you live in Britain, you should abide by British norms and values. We shouldn’t allow the abhorrent slaughter rituals of religions. Our educational system should be one founded on British pride.

All public signs should be in English or Gaelic or Welsh or Cornish, not Urdu etc. same with leaflets, election speeches etc.

We shouldn’t be allowing the takeover of Trafalgar square for religious rituals other than those linked to our national identity, ie Christian or Celtic Pagan.

There should be zero support for any religious based laws, no Sharia courts should be allowed etc. We shouldn’t have teachers in hiding because they criticised a land grabbing caravan trader who lived 1500 years ago. Anyone involved in the reason he is in hiding should be prosecuted.

If we started insisting that everyone who lived here was fully integrated into the UK then I suspect far fewer people would want to come.

Poland is a good basis for this.

This policies don’t exist in isolation. If you’re going to use countries like Poland as an example it’s helpful not to cherry pick. Look at all their laws. Restrictions on abortion, freedom of assembly etc. These things tend to come as a package.

Monzo1ss · 09/05/2026 13:19

I have the same questions OP. Given the current volume of immigrants already here, the government can’t just get rid of them? So is it a case of dealing with the high numbers we already have as a non negotiable, just not allowing many more in? Basically leaves us in the same position we’re in.

asdbaybeeee · 09/05/2026 13:19

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 13:14

Which part is incorrect?

People in the UK without a legal right to be here (unauthorised migrants) are generally ineligible for mainstream benefits, public funds, or social housing. They are legally excluded from working and accessing public support, although limited assistance may be provided by local authorities in specific circumstances (e.g., child welfare)

SomedayIllBeSaturdayNight · 09/05/2026 13:19

Frugalgal · 09/05/2026 13:16

That won't stop the boats.

No but it would.make it much harder to work here illegally, and so reduce the pull factor.

LeedsLoiner · 09/05/2026 13:18

AyeDeadOn · 09/05/2026 10:36

Why arent they seeking asylum in the first safe country? Once they choose to go through another safe country, or many other safe countries, imo they are no longer asylum seekers. They have other reasons for wanting to come specifically here, not just to a safe place.

It might be something to do with Britain invading and occupying their homeland and telling them that they are subjects of the British Empire?
They’re just coming home.

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 13:17

Frugalgal · 09/05/2026 13:16

That won't stop the boats.

No, it would increase them!

SomedayIllBeSaturdayNight · 09/05/2026 13:17

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 13:13

And how can they speed up the process when they don’t have their documents and proof of their identity?

I don't work for the home office, but a brief search tells me they do this:

When someone claims asylum in the UK without passports or identity papers, the authorities do not automatically reject the claim. Many refugees arrive without documents for legitimate reasons — documents may have been confiscated, destroyed, lost during flight, or impossible to obtain safely.

Instead, the Home Office tries to assess whether the person’s account is credible using a combination of interviews, evidence, background checks, and consistency testing.

Typical process:

1. Screening interview

Soon after arrival, the person is asked:

  • name, nationality, date of birth,
  • route travelled,
  • family members,
  • why they came to the UK,
  • whether they have documents.

Officials also take:

  • fingerprints,
  • photographs,
  • biometric data.

The fingerprints are checked against UK and European databases to see whether the person previously claimed asylum elsewhere or used another identity.

2. Substantive asylum interview

Later, there is a detailed interview about:

  • what happened in the home country,
  • fears of persecution,
  • political/religious/ethnic background,
  • timeline of events,
  • travel route.

Decision-makers look heavily at:

  • internal consistency,
  • whether the story changes over time,
  • whether details fit known country conditions,
  • whether the account sounds plausible in light of independent evidence.

3. Country evidence

The Home Office compares the claim against:

  • human-rights reports,
  • news reporting,
  • intelligence,
  • expert assessments,
  • country policy and information notes.

For example, if someone claims persecution by a militia in a particular region, officials compare the account with known conditions there.

4. Corroborating evidence

Even without passports, applicants may provide:

  • phone records,
  • social media,
  • photos/videos,
  • medical reports,
  • witness statements,
  • party membership cards,
  • arrest warrants,
  • school/work documents,
  • language analysis.

Sometimes linguistic experts assess accent/dialect to estimate regional origin.

5. Credibility assessment

UK law allows decision-makers to consider lack of documents as a factor affecting credibility if they think the person could reasonably have produced them. But absence of papers alone is not supposed to determine the outcome.

Officials also look at:

  • whether the person claimed asylum promptly,
  • whether they used false identities,
  • whether they destroyed documents deliberately,
  • inconsistencies between interviews.

6. Standard of proof

The asylum standard is lower than in criminal law. The claimant does not have to prove everything “beyond reasonable doubt.” The question is broadly whether there is a “reasonable degree of likelihood” they would face persecution or serious harm if returned.

7. Possible outcomes

The claim may result in:

  • refugee status,
  • humanitarian protection,
  • refusal with appeal rights,
  • detention/removal proceedings.

Some claims are refused mainly because officials conclude the account is not credible rather than because documentary proof is absent.

EnterQueene · 09/05/2026 13:17

I think we should stop pandering to racists who pretend immigration is the problem, rather than Brexit and years of under investment in public services and infrastructure. Reform have gained seats in Scotland where immigration the opposite of a problem - we are a predominantly white, aging demographic. We need immigrants, but actually have very few. That doesn't stop the slack jawed racists voting Reform. I wish a party other than SNP had the guts to push back on the racists instead of pandering by agreed with the endless demands to 'stop the boats'.

dizzydizzydizzy · 09/05/2026 13:17

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 12:57

How many already have family here? If they do, why aren’t they living with them rather than in hotels? Lots of HMO resulting if they do.
If there is family here, why add to it with more and more relations?
Many don’t speak English
They are likely to be unskilled low wage workers and likely to be a drain on the U.K. - We already have enough of our own! If they are doctors ,engineers etc they can apply legally.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/people-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/

The above is a report by the Migration Observatory of Oxford University. Read the section under the heading ‘why do people cross the Channel by small boat?’. It starts with this:

“There is limited evidence on why Channel migrants decide to come to the UK. Several factors appear to play a role in their decision, such as the presence of friends and family members in the UK. The most common nationalities crossing the Channel have larger diaspora populations in the UK rather than in France. Other reasons include language and cultural links to the UK, perceptions of the UK as safe and welcoming, as well as negative experiences in other European countries.”

People crossing the English Channel in small boats - Migration Observatory

This briefing examines the phenomenon of people crossing the English Channel in small boats.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/people-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/

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